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Your logic when it comes to male sexuality is just mind boggling. Seriously, do you find yourself humping every woman you see because you can't "help yourself?"
And this obsession with calling a vagina a "box" is just creepy.
LOL!
I didn't say that, you did.
I'm I suppose to be politically correct here, just for your liking?
So then you're admitting to being able to perform some degree of self-control.
Argument over.
If you can perform self control because you're married (and being married does not necessarily imply exclusivity), then you can perform self control for any other reason your choose, if you can do it, JJG can do it and I can do it, then it's not unique. That completely undercuts your argument that men bear no responsibility, because they are not compelled to have sex as you previously implied, but choosing to have sex. There is no physical, chemical, electrical restraint that men who are married have, that is not present when unmarried.
The question was if it was a womans fault they got pregnant.
I said yes, unless it is forced rape. They have the keys, the guy just rings the doorbell.
Somehow that got turned into, by the spin factory. I and all guys rape every girl they see.
The urge is always there, for all men. What morals did your parents instill in you?
Breeding(to have a child) and having sex(for fun & games) are two very different things today.
Sure I am. My daughter was planned, 6 years after my marriage, when I had enough money in the bank and my career taking off.
That don't mean I wasn't trying every second we were alone.
The womans choice.
Take the stupid risk, because he is a hot guy.
The box is locked if you don't have a condom....
I'm on the pill, if you treat me right, I will unlock the box and go bareback on your ass.
The guys choice... He's lucky if she says yes..... she has the keys
cream pie and hope for the best.
I promise to pull it out.
I have a condom.
Are you on the pill?
Both have plenty of choices, but only one has the keys to the box.
Yadda, yadda, yadda......bottom line.....the man and the woman are equally responsible when there is a pregnancy.
Using your terminology, the woman has to decide to open the box and the man has to decide to accept the invitation for a pregnancy to happen.
And this:
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This will also lead to more, or less jealousy.
If you catch your man
checking out another woman when he thinks your not looking. How are you going
to react? Jealous rage, or agree with him, that she is hot. It is that mans
sex drive making him look. You going to blinders on him? or forgive him for
being a man.
If you think your wife doesn't check out a sexy man when she sees one, you are pretty naïve.
You see, women are sexual beings too, not just receptacles of a man's sexuality.
The question was if it was a womans fault they got pregnant.
I said yes, unless it is forced rape. They have the keys, the guy just rings the doorbell.
Somehow that got turned into, by the spin factory. I and all guys rape every girl they see.
No, the guy doesn't just ring the door bell.....he CHOOSES to walk through the door.
If a 14 year old opens the door, I am betting you will choose not to go through it.
Men do have choice, and with choice comes responsibility.
The question was if it was a womans fault they got pregnant.
I said yes, unless it is forced rape. They have the keys, the guy just rings the doorbell.
Not quite, if the guy never rings the doorbell, then she'll never get pregnant either. Takes two to tango, and it's both sides responsibility. Coming from someone who espouses personal responsibility and behavior in every other thread, I'm quite shocked at this meager attempt to shift responsibility.
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Somehow that got turned into, by the spin factory. I and all guys rape every girl they see.
It didn't turn into a spin factory about rape, you explicitly stated that men cannot control themselves and should bear no responsibility for pregnancy, it wasn't even marginally open to interpretation. How do you think people are going to read that?
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Yadda, yadda, yadda......bottom line.....the man and the woman are equally responsible when there is a pregnancy.
Using your terminology, the woman has to decide to open the box and the man has to decide to accept the invitation for a pregnancy to happen.
And this:
If you think your wife doesn't check out a sexy man when she sees one, you are pretty naïve.
You see, women are sexual beings too, not just receptacles of a man's sexuality.
Never said they were not equally responsible when there is a pregnancy.
That wasn't the question I first responded to, that started the flow of estrogen.
I personally don't know a straight single man, that would turn down an opened box.
If you have, it may be what is staring back at you in the mirror. Tell them a bag works.
Did you misread what I said about jealousy? Must have. There is nothing naive about what I posted.
Re=read it. I'll recap for ya... I know she looks, the same as I look. We point them out to each other, when we are together. There is no jealousy.
Never said they were not equally responsible when there is a pregnancy.
That wasn't the question I first responded to, that started the flow of estrogen.
I personally don't know a straight single man, that would turn down an opened box.
If you have, it may be what is staring back at you in the mirror. Tell them a bag works.
Did you misread what I said about jealousy? Must have. There is nothing naive about what I posted.
Re=read it. I'll recap for ya... I know she looks, the same as I look. We point them out to each other, when we are together. There is no jealousy.
Oh look, you moved your own goal posts, now you think a man is equally responsible when it comes to making a baby.
So if a horny teenager wanted to have sex with you, you would turn that down? That is how dumb straight men end up being in prison.
You would be willing to cheat on your wife if a woman wanted to "open her box" for you?
Not quite, if the guy never rings the doorbell, then she'll never get pregnant either. Takes two to tango, and it's both sides responsibility. Coming from someone who espouses personal responsibility and behavior in every other thread, I'm quite shocked at this meager attempt to shift responsibility.
It didn't turn into a spin factory about rape, you explicitly stated that men cannot control themselves and should bear no responsibility for pregnancy, it wasn't even marginally open to interpretation. How do you think people are going to read that?
We would not be discussing this, if there was no ringing of the doorbell and who has the door locked or open.
You would be gay, married, a priest, or she is married, has a huge boyfriend, or god awful ugly, that beer goggles won't help.
It is nature and the birds & the bees.
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