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Old 10-27-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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SCOTUS also already decided blacks don't have human rights, that doesn't mean the discussion is over.

And the SCOTUS decision is, as you quoted, predicated on the idea that the IDs are a way to reduce fraud. It's entirely legitimate to point out that IDs don't actually reduce fraud, and therefore there's a strong case for the SCOTUS reversing its decision. Also, it's been made abundantly clear in recent years that Republicans have used voter ID to supress opposition voters rather than reduce fraud.

Judge Posner, the respected conservative circuit judge whose Crawford v Marion decision was upheld by SCOTUS, has since dissented strongly against the decision in light of the same sort of evidence.

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The panel is not troubled by the absence of evidence. It deems the supposed beneficial effect of photo ID requirements on public confidence in the electoral system “‘a legislative fact’-a proposition about the state of the world,” and asserts that “on matters of legislative fact, courts accept the findings of legislatures and judges of the lower courts must accept findings by the Supreme Court.” In so saying, the panel conjures up a fact-free cocoon in which to lodge the federal judiciary. As there is no evidence that voter impersonation fraud is a problem, how can the fact that a legislature says it’s a problem turn it into one? If the Wisconsin legislature says witches are a problem, shall Wisconsin courts be permitted to conduct witch trials? If the Supreme Court once thought that requiring photo identification increases public confidence in elections, and experience and academic study since shows that the Court was mistaken, do we do a favor to the Court-do we increase public confidence in elections-by making the mistake a premise of our decision? Pressed to its logical extreme the panel’s interpretation of and deference to legislative facts would require upholding a photo ID voter law even if it were uncontested that the law eliminated no fraud but did depress turnout significantly.
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Old 10-28-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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SCOTUS also already decided blacks don't have human rights, that doesn't mean the discussion is over.

And the SCOTUS decision is, as you quoted, predicated on the idea that the IDs are a way to reduce fraud. It's entirely legitimate to point out that IDs don't actually reduce fraud, and therefore there's a strong case for the SCOTUS reversing its decision. Also, it's been made abundantly clear in recent years that Republicans have used voter ID to supress opposition voters rather than reduce fraud.

Judge Posner, the respected conservative circuit judge whose Crawford v Marion decision was upheld by SCOTUS, has since dissented strongly against the decision in light of the same sort of evidence.
You do know that free IDs are offered ( in the state of wisconsin they are ), as long as you don't already have one, and are a LEGAL CITIZEN.
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Old 10-28-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I remember nancy p talking about this couple years ago, she claimed that since illegal immigrants paid taxes, had children in our schools, they was part of the community and had a right to have a say in put government and local issues.

I really have a dislike for that lady


so lets make it illegal for any illegal aliens to have any children in our schools, no medical care and no drivers licenses too. any state not complying receives no federal money.
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Old 10-28-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Why do you feel it is important to let people, who are not legal citizens, of this country vote in major elections?
I think their answer to that is an easy one...kill the R party and D will rule forever.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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You do know that free IDs are offered ( in the state of wisconsin they are ), as long as you don't already have one, and are a LEGAL CITIZEN.
You do know you have to be a legal citizen to register to vote?
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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You do know you have to be a legal citizen to register to vote?
You do know that there are states do not require ID to register? Sign a piece of paper claiming you're a citizen and that's it - you're registered.

Check it out for yourself. It includes instructions for every state.
http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Document...-25-14_ENG.pdf
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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You do know you have to be a legal citizen to register to vote?
I already covered that at the end of my OP, it is in bold and in CAPS
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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You do know that there are states do not require ID to register? Sign a piece of paper claiming you're a citizen and that's it - you're registered.

Check it out for yourself. It includes instructions for every state.
http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal%20Voter%20Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf
Then fix registration!
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I already covered that at the end of my OP, it is in bold and in CAPS
You're not the OP, but if you typed in bold caps I probably didn't read it.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Then fix registration!
I've been saying that for a long time now on all of these threads. There's plenty of people on the left on these threads who have argued against that. Just saying.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Then fix registration!

You're not the OP, but if you typed in bold caps I probably didn't read it.
Ok then in my first response to you, go back and read it. You liberals need to stop skipping over things.
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