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Yes, but it's funny how that only seems to apply when the decision goes against what a person believes. Like with abortion. Liberals challenged the abortion bans in court. However, once they won Roe v Wade, they then turned around and said the issue was decided and pro-life people need to quit.
I see no instances of Republicans using voter ID to suppress opposition voters. All I've seen is liberals claiming that to be the case. The thing is, those same liberals are the ones who claimed that the Voting Rights Act was gutted when one section of it was recently thrown out - a section that had produced no violations in over 13,000 cases reviewed. So with that kind of a track record, it is very difficult to take their claims seriously.
So, no, it is hardly "abundantly clear". No more clear than it was that the Voting Rights Act was destroyed when a section that had never once been violated in half a century was deemed no longer necessary.
The recent GAO analysis shows that voting was suppressed in Tennessee and Kansas by photo ID. Quite clearly and in significant numbers. And the groups most impacted were the young and the elderly. These two groups of course tend to vote Democratic.
This thread is another classical illustration of the weird thinking process of the right wing.
I know of no liberal source that supports illegal voting of any kind...except..
The Right Wing version of liberal views.
The algorithm is apparently that the left must consult the right wing to find out what it believes.
Kind of stupid actually. I would note the left is sufficiently disparate that it agrees on little.
The recent GAO analysis shows that voting was suppressed in Tennessee and Kansas by photo ID. Quite clearly and in significant numbers. And the groups most impacted were the young and the elderly. These two groups of course tend to vote Democratic.
This thread is another classical illustration of the weird thinking process of the right wing.
I know of no liberal source that supports illegal voting of any kind...except..
The Right Wing version of liberal views.
The algorithm is apparently that the left must consult the right wing to find out what it believes.
Kind of stupid actually. I would note the left is sufficiently disparate that it agrees on little.
What? The young are now impacted by having to show a photo i.d? How inept are these people?
The recent GAO analysis shows that voting was suppressed in Tennessee and Kansas by photo ID. Quite clearly and in significant numbers. And the groups most impacted were the young and the elderly. These two groups of course tend to vote Democratic.
This thread is another classical illustration of the weird thinking process of the right wing.
I know of no liberal source that supports illegal voting of any kind...except..
The Right Wing version of liberal views.
The algorithm is apparently that the left must consult the right wing to find out what it believes.
Kind of stupid actually. I would note the left is sufficiently disparate that it agrees on little.
According to the GAO, in Kansas in 2012, 1,115,281 ballots were cast. There were 38,865 provisional ballots, and of these, 838 were cast for voter-ID reasons.
In Tennessee, 2,480,182 ballots were cast. There were 7,089 provisional ballots, and of these, 673 were cast for voter-ID reasons.
In both states, about 30 percent of these voter-ID-related provisional ballots were ultimately accepted.
In the study, in Kansas and Tennessee, altogether about 1,000 ballots weren’t counted due to lack of verifiable ID, out of roughly 3.5 million cast. That ain't significant based on my knowledge of math.
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among eligible and registered voters declined more in Kansas and Tennessee
than it declined in comparison states—by an estimated 1.9 to 2.2 percentage
points more in Kansas and 2.2 to 3.2 percentage points more in Tennessee—
and the results were consistent across the different data sources and voter
populations used in the analysis.
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• among registrants, as of 2008, between the ages of 18 and 23 than among
registrants between the ages of 44 and 53;
• among registrants who had been registered less than 1 year than among
registrants who had been registered 20 years or more; and
• among African-American registrants than among White, Asian-American, and
Hispanic registrants. GAO did not find consistent reductions in turnout among
Asian-American or Hispanic registrants compared to White registrants, thus
suggesting that the laws did not have larger effects among these subgroups
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among eligible and registered voters declined more in Kansas and Tennessee
than it declined in comparison states—by an estimated 1.9 to 2.2 percentage
points more in Kansas and 2.2 to 3.2 percentage points more in Tennessee—
and the results were consistent across the different data sources and voter
populations used in the analysis.
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And..
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• among registrants, as of 2008, between the ages of 18 and 23 than among
registrants between the ages of 44 and 53;
• among registrants who had been registered less than 1 year than among
registrants who had been registered 20 years or more; and
• among African-American registrants than among White, Asian-American, and
Hispanic registrants. GAO did not find consistent reductions in turnout among
Asian-American or Hispanic registrants compared to White registrants, thus
suggesting that the laws did not have larger effects among these subgroups
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Give the Right Wing view that even a single illegal vote is too many what would be the view of disenfranchising a couple of million?
It takes practically zero effort to get a photo i.d. If someone can make the effort to vote they can make an effort to obtain i.d. first. That is not disenfranchisement, it is the effort almost everyone makes upon becoming an adult.
It takes practically zero effort to get a photo i.d. If someone can make the effort to vote they can make an effort to obtain i.d. first. That is not disenfranchisement, it is the effort almost everyone makes upon becoming an adult.
Not always true and somewhat immaterial. Any effort required to vote is too much.
There are lots of people who will require much money, much time and maybe going to court to get the necessary documents. Most people can do it reasonably easily. But there are lots of people who will find it very difficult. There are numerous elders in the US without birth certificates for instance. Or people married and divorced may have to produce all the legal orders in the process. And there is one famous case where a family was refused because the punctuation on their passports was not reproducible by the state.
The NV Secretary of State offered an effortless system. Both parties turned it down as too expensive to fix a nonexistent problem. So apparently the ultimate in voter fidelity is not worth a lot.
Not always true and somewhat immaterial. Any effort required to vote is too much.
There are lots of people who will require much money, much time and maybe going to court to get the necessary documents. Most people can do it reasonably easily. But there are lots of people who will find it very difficult. There are numerous elders in the US without birth certificates for instance. Or people married and divorced may have to produce all the legal orders in the process. And there is one famous case where a family was refused because the punctuation on their passports was not reproducible by the state.
The NV Secretary of State offered an effortless system. Both parties turned it down as too expensive to fix a nonexistent problem. So apparently the ultimate in voter fidelity is not worth a lot.
"Any effort to vote is too much"? The lack of effort is glaringly obvious with some people. Anything worth doing requires some effort on our part.
"Any effort to vote is too much"? The lack of effort is glaringly obvious with some people. Anything worth doing requires some effort on our part.
Poll Taxes are illegal by the US Constitution. As soon as you have effort you have a possible poll tax. The courts may draw some line above zero but there will be a level that constitutes a poll tax. The existing USSC is unlikely to take an expansive view but it is quite possible a later court will differ. One could logically claim that all of the costs required to obtain the documents for an ID card are a poll tax and another court might well agree.
Note this could all be avoided by the state agreeing to pay any costs to obtain required documents and perhaps providing skilled assistance to those who need it. Again not a popular concept with Republicans.
Poll Taxes are illegal by the US Constitution. As soon as you have effort you have a possible poll tax. The courts may draw some line above zero but there will be a level that constitutes a poll tax. The existing USSC is unlikely to take an expansive view but it is quite possible a later court will differ. One could logically claim that all of the costs required to obtain the documents for an ID card are a poll tax and another court might well agree.
Note this could all be avoided by the state agreeing to pay any costs to obtain required documents and perhaps providing skilled assistance to those who need it. Again not a popular concept with Republicans.
Incorrect. Effort does NOT equate to a poll tax. SCOTUS already decided this in Crawford v Marion County Election Board. In fact, they specifically noted that a burden placed upon the voter does not outweigh the interest of the state to reducing fraud. As with almost everything else in the Constitution, reasonable burdens have been found to be Constitutional on everything from speech to the right to bear arms. Why would you presume voting would somehow be free of this same standard applied to other rights in the Constitution?
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