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View Poll Results: Should "Under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?
Yes, remove it 51 49.51%
No, keep it 52 50.49%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-20-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They will probably want to abolish Thanksgiving as well

Thanksgiving Proclamation

[New York, 3 October 1789]
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By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789. Go: Washington
So, anything a president utters should become the law of the land?

And is this the same George Washington who was the first president? What right did he have to give a PROCLAMATION? Sounds kind of kingly, doesn't it? A Proclamation, wow. King George Washington.

Is it OK then for Obama to give a PROCLAMATION and have it become the law of the land?

HaHa, THAT would go over big, don't you think?

Gotta be careful about digging stuff up from the past....

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Old 11-20-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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So, anything a president utters should become the law of the land?

And is this the same George Washington who was the first president? What right did he have to give a PROCLAMATION? Sounds kind of kingly, doesn't it? A Proclamation, wow. King George Washington.

Is it OK then for Obama to give a PROCLAMATION and have it become the law of the land?

HaHa, THAT would go over big, don't you think?

Gotta be careful about digging stuff up from the past....
Did you attend public school?
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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An interesting thing for those saying its a waste of time. Go look at the top of these posts. See how its a poll? 40% disagree believing it should be removed. For those 40% at least its worth the time. 40% is not a small minority.
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Did you attend public school?
I hereby PROCLAIM that I did not. Sorry to burst your little bubble!

Since when does something a president says become part of, say, the Constitution? You know, our body of laws?

Just because Washington invoked 'god' in his flowery Thanksgiving proclamation, doesn't mean believing in 'god' is mandatory for the citizens of the USA.

I bet if Obama made a proclamation, making some random day a national holiday, you would be the first (quick!) to condemn the act.
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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I voted to remove it. Congress had no damn business inserting words into the pledge that the author did not intend to be there. Why don't they just rewrite Gone With the Wind and have Rhett say "Frankly my dear, God bless America"?
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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The thing that really irks me, because it's such an idiotic and asinine argument, is when they claim that removing it would be tampering with the pledge
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You're seriously comparing what God represents as opposed to what Lucifer represents? Give me a break!

You didn't answer the question.
One is the same as the other as far as many are concerned and this isn't just your country.
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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The Pledge isn't part of the Constitution

"The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country."

"In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added."

"In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration."

The Pledge of Allegiance

"The United States Congress officially recognized the Pledge for the first time, in the following form, on June 22, 1942:"

Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pont is, the pledge WASN'T "official" until 1942. It has been changes several times.

I DON'T think Congress will remove "under God".
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I hereby PROCLAIM that I did not. Sorry to burst your little bubble!

Since when does something a president says become part of, say, the Constitution? You know, our body of laws?

Just because Washington invoked 'god' in his flowery Thanksgiving proclamation, doesn't mean believing in 'god' is mandatory for the citizens of the USA.

I bet if Obama made a proclamation, making some random day a national holiday, you would be the first (quick!) to condemn the act.

"Since when does something a president says become part of, say, the Constitution? You know, our body of laws?

"The Pledge isn't part of the Constitution"

I bet" that if you were to actually READ what people write, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions.

"doesn't mean believing in 'god' is mandatory for the citizens of the USA." I don't know where you come up with stuff. NOBODY made the claim.

AS they say, "YOU CAN'T REASON WITH AN UNREASONABLE PERSON".

HAVE FUN IN YOUR DELUSIONAL WORLD!
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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You didn't answer the question.
One is the same as the other as far as many are concerned and this isn't just your country.

I think you'd better research what each represents and get back to me. Here's the problem old cold... in today's PC Bizzaro World, people can't just leave well enough alone anymore, and always have to find something to whine about! Isn't it about time people pull up their big boy/big girl pants, and quit finding s*** to be offended about? Ohhhh boo freakin' hoo "under God" is in the pledge! The sky is falling!

Not much offends me, but do you know what does? People that b**** and moan, and get offended over every little thing!
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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"Since when does something a president says become part of, say, the Constitution? You know, our body of laws?

"The Pledge isn't part of the Constitution"

I bet" that if you were to actually READ what people write, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions.

"doesn't mean believing in 'god' is mandatory for the citizens of the USA." I don't know where you come up with stuff. NOBODY made the claim.

AS they say, "YOU CAN'T REASON WITH AN UNREASONABLE PERSON".

HAVE FUN IN YOUR DELUSIONAL WORLD!
I know damn well the pledge is not part of the constitution.

Someone (was it you?) posted George Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation, and bolded all the references he made to god. Why? It seemed to be a rebuttal to something; maybe someone saying that church and state are supposed to be separate.

The Washington proclamation post seemed to imply that if the Father of Our Country invoked the name of god that we all should.

I can think of no other reason someone would post Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation with all the references to god bolded. Maybe someone had a brain fart?
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