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I never said they were effective either. People with their eyes open see that Washington is a mess right now. I do understand that there are governors planning to file a suit.
Yes, I acknowledge you are correct about state's filing lawsuits against the Legal status, Obama announced. I personally don't think it will go anywhere, but I guess we'll see.
Yes, I acknowledge you are correct about state's filing lawsuits against the Legal status, Obama announced. I personally don't think it will go anywhere, but I guess we'll see.
Amnesty is synonymous with reprieve. The President has the power to grant amnesty, and Congress does not have the power to limit its application.
Again, this is not something the Obama administration is claiming, Stop trying to make it a thing - it's not. He is claiming prosecutorial discretion as his rationale.
The current occupier of the White House has said he would proceed with Amnesty "immigration reform" though Executive Order.
Republicans have gave a warning signal (like an Indian smoke signal) saying No, don't do it!
Could this be a treasonous act by the president and warrant impeachment?
Afterall, isn't it in the Constitution:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. The Constitution, Article I, Section 3
In short, no, the Executive Order on deportation and immigration is not treason (nor a high crime or misdemeanor) under the Constitution.
As a matter of politics, impeachment is a non-starter. Republicans know that impeachment will only increase the President's popularity and decrease their own, especially amongst young and latino voters, two fast-growing groups.
The Executive Order is prosecutorial discretion. It is the President's exercise of his lawful executive authority under existing immigration law.
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Again, this is not something the Obama administration is claiming, Stop trying to make it a thing - it's not. He is claiming prosecutorial discretion as his rationale.
Exactly.
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why? don't need to.
Congress (and republican party) need to make the case that this action was a major power grab by the Executive and continue highlighting the hypocrisy of the Obama administration here and in other contexts.
Threats of impeachment should be held in check. It will never happen.
LOL at the republicans trying to paint this as an Executive power grab. The Bush White House made broader claims of Executive power than any other modern Administration. The immigration E.O. is well within the standards of executive authority--it is far from the Obama Administration's most sweeping use of executive authority (the greatest reaches by the Obama Administration are subject to bipartisan support--the broad use of drone strikes and other military power abroad and the broad use of digital and electronic surveillance around the globe).
You are right, though, that the threat of impeachment should be held in check and that it will not happen.
It falls under the provision for reprieves and pardons which the President has discretion to condition. What the President is doing is in no way an impeachable offense.
In short, no, the Executive Order on deportation and immigration is not treason (nor a high crime or misdemeanor) under the Constitution.
As a matter of politics, impeachment is a non-starter. Republicans know that impeachment will only increase the President's popularity and decrease their own, especially amongst young and latino voters, two fast-growing groups.
The Executive Order is prosecutorial discretion. It is the President's exercise of his lawful executive authority under existing immigration law.
Exactly.
LOL at the republicans trying to paint this as an Executive power grab. The Bush White House made broader claims of Executive power than any other modern Administration. The immigration E.O. is well within the standards of executive authority--it is far from the Obama Administration's most sweeping use of executive authority (the greatest reaches by the Obama Administration are subject to bipartisan support--the broad use of drone strikes and other military power abroad and the broad use of digital and electronic surveillance around the globe).
You are right, though, that the threat of impeachment should be held in check and that it will not happen.
I agree with you on impeachment. This does not merit such a thing because it just doesn't meet the standard. Now, the EO being challenged in court? Likely and well documented that this can happen and can result in an EO being overturned.
It falls under the provision for reprieves and pardons which the President has discretion to condition. What the President is doing is in no way an impeachable offense.
No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't relevant to this EO. Obama is claiming he has the ability to do this under prosecutorial discretion - nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with pardons.
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