Republican suggests hybrid and electric vehicle owners pay a new $50 dollar fee to drive. (minimum wage, independent)

[Mr.Hospitality]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

$50 isn't enough. Charge them $100-$200 a year. I'm sure they'll pay because it's just right to do for using less gas.

If you read the thread and use some common sense, you'll see that it's not the right thing to do.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by RegalSin

That is stupid.................and unfair. Electrical cars are suppose to save the enviroment not rape our wallers. I mean seriously why bother.

So if you have an electric car, you didn't "build that".

And electric cars don't "save the environment". That electricity that charges the vehicle is most likely gotten from coal, which isn't exactly environmentally friendly. And those batteries that power the car are HORRIBLE for the environment.

But you tree huggers keep thinking you're doing good for the planet if it helps you sleep at night.

[Mr.Hospitality]

Originally Posted by ringwise

So if you have an electric car, you didn't "build that".

And electric cars don't "save the environment". That electricity that charges the vehicle is most likely gotten from coal, which isn't exactly environmentally friendly. And those batteries that power the car are HORRIBLE for the environment.

But you tree huggers keep thinking you're doing good for the planet if it helps you sleep at night.

You're completely wrong on both counts. Almost makes me wonder if you people just believe everything you read or just make stuff up.

Only 39% of our electricity comes from coal. 46% of it comes from natural gas and nuclear. In many states, less than 5% comes from coal. Using electricity to power a vehicle is much more environmentally friendly than oil in a combustion engine. To say otherwise is evidence of pure ignorance.

Additionally, NIMH and Lithium Ion batteries hardly make a dent in the environment compared to combustion of oil-based products. Learn the facts before you go around spreading false information.

http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/TA/378.PDF

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hospitality

If you read the thread and use some common sense, you'll see that it's not the right thing to do.

If we were to presume that all three of these were to weigh 3000lbs doing the exact same damage to the road and traveled the US average of about 15K miles:

Gasoline Car @25MPG - pays $300 road tax

Hybrid Car @40MPG - pays $187 road tax

All Electric @~MPG - pays $0 road tax

Obviously charging the Hybrids and electric cars is the right thing to do.

[Opin_Yunated]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

This is not a new tax, it's effectively a replacement tax and at $50 won't even begin to fully replace the lost revenue.

Fact is we need to tax road use and those costs need to be evenly distributed.

No, we don't need to tax road use.

Originally Posted by jimhcom

Everyone who uses the roads should pay for them including electric cars and bicycles.

No, they should be receiving more tax credits than they already get.

[Opin_Yunated]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

If we were to presume that all three of these were to weigh 3000lbs doing the exact same damage to the road and traveled the US average of about 15K miles:

Gasoline Car @25MPG - pays $300 road tax

Hybrid Car @40MPG - pays $187 road tax

All Electric @~MPG - pays $0 road tax

Obviously charging the Hybrids and electric cars is the right thing to do.

Funny how regressively stupid this country has gotten.

You want to "punish" consumers of environmentally-conscious vehicles because they don't pollute cough "fund roads" as much as you? Ha!

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hospitality

In many states, less than 5% comes from coal.

That's fairly limited group especially when you consider the source of what they are importing.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

No, we don't need to tax road use.

Interesting concept, I guess they would just magically build themselves?

[Mr.Hospitality]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

If we were to presume that all three of these were to weigh 3000lbs doing the exact same damage to the road and traveled the US average of about 15K miles:

Gasoline Car @25MPG - pays $300 road tax

Hybrid Car @40MPG - pays $187 road tax

All Electric @~MPG - pays $0 road tax

Obviously charging the Hybrids and electric cars is the right thing to do.

But that's making silly assumption. Take away all those false assumptions, and you quickly see that it's not the right thing to do.

Not all hybrids achieve 40mpg. There are many compact gasoline cars that achieve 40mpg. Not all cars weigh 3000lbs.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hospitality

But that's making silly assumption. Take away all those false assumptions, and you quickly see that it's not the right thing to do.

I'm using some basic averages and probably should have 4000lbs, for example the hybrid with battery doing very short trips might be getting 100MPG.