Obama Signs Bill into Law Cutting Retirees Pensions (Sanders, states, supporters)

[TigerLily24]

Originally Posted by Taratova

Boy, if you don't know sorry. You can't grasp the whole jest of it if you don't know the basics of what is going on.

Hint. It is NOT the government. But with government intrusion with legislation or no legislation in the past many years , they made the whole thing happen. Do you get my drift. Not the legislation of a month ago. The legislation the did and did NOT happen to protect the unions. They got the shaft many times over by both parties. Expected from the right, but not the left. The shaft came from the left because they are suppose to stand up for the working people, or they used to.

So you were depending on people that you refuse to vote for to protect your interests?

How does that work exactly?

[hooligan]

So you don't like socialism. Except when it helps one of your buddies, in that case it's good and righteous because "they" promised something that "they" couldn't deliver on.

Got it.

[Taratova]

Just one website stating the problem of illegals taking jobs from union and non-union American workers.

Local labor wants crackdown on hiring of illegal immigrants : News : CNYcentral.com

[Taratova]

Originally Posted by hooligan

So you don't like socialism. Except when it helps one of your buddies, in that case it's good and righteous because "they" promised something that "they" couldn't deliver on.

Got it.

your brain has a glitch. Get it fixed , it is stuck on bailouts.. which I don't approve of.

[Taratova]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

So you were depending on people that you refuse to vote for to protect your interests?

How does that work exactly?

What party is that? What party protects Americans interest today ? The freebee party?

[spoilers4me]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Correct, it was two: George Miller (D–CA) and John Kline (R–MN).

As for passing the law, there was no choice, pass the 4000 page bill, or shut down the government. The reps had two days to read the bill, which is humanely impossible, so they had to vote for whatever was in the bill, or close shop.

You mean to tell me D x 201 couldn't each read 20 pages and give each other a head's up if something egregious was about to be snuck in? And R x 234 were unable to each read 17 pages?

I knew the bar was low but for $174,000 a year, I guess I expected a little more.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by Taratova

What party is that? What party protects Americans interest today ? The freebee party?

The You Party.

Originally Posted by Taratova

your brain has a glitch. Get it fixed , it is stuck on bailouts.. which I don't approve of.

You are demanding the government bailout your pension.

Originally Posted by Taratova

The legislation the did and did NOT happen to protect the unions.

Good, because unions are Socialist and don't deserve to be protected.

Originally Posted by Taratova

The parties killed the unions.

Good, because unions are Socialist and Socialism deserves to die.

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Prepare yourself for disappointment in 2016. Regardless of who runs and is elected, the U.S. is not going to suddenly start deporting millions of otherwise law abiding illegals, many of whom have been here for decades.

You got that right.

Originally Posted by Taratova

Perot was a smart man and he knew what would ensue.

Perot? That big-eared galoot? He didn't know his head from a hole in the ground.

Originally Posted by Taratova

We can't change what has happened to the unions,...

Why would we want to?

Unions are Socialist, and union members and supporters are Socialist, and they all suck.

Originally Posted by Taratova

Interest rates have favored the takers and spenders, not the savers.. The fed is robbing money from the elderly.

So what?

The Free Market sets interest rates.

In the US, you don't have a Free Market for interest rates, since the government and other groups collude to keep interest rates artificially low.

Even so, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that rates would be substantially higher in the absence of interference.

The would be higher, but if you think you'll be getting 10% on your passbook savings account, you're dreaming.

Originally Posted by Taratova

They didn't have enough union members to sustain the funding as explained to the union members in letters sent out that their pensions will get cut.

Then, by your own admission, your pension plan was a Ponzi-scheme and destined to fail.

Your complaint needs to be taken up with the Socialist unions that you adore.

Originally Posted by Taratova

ok, show me the words of me saying bailout...

A rose by any other name.....

Originally Posted by Taratova

the law said it was guaranteed.

What law?

Show us in writing.

Originally Posted by Taratova

A 401K is not guaranteed. A pension is.

Show us in writing.

Originally Posted by Taratova

I am in Florida . This does not affect me but I believe this is outrageous because for years the unions were not protected from the huge influx of illegals taking jobs from union workers because they worked cheaper.

Wages are determined by Supply & Demand.

By your own admission, the Socialist unions artificially inflated your wages, to your own detriment.

Originally Posted by Taratova

Nope, wrong again. no bailout.

You want a bailout. Stop denying it.

Originally Posted by Taratova

They made a false promise they couldn't keep. Period.

They? They who? The Socialist unions?

Yeah, they did.

One reason your Socialist union utopian pie-in-the-sky pensions are unrealistic, is due to the fact that Organized Crime ran the unions, and used union pension plans to launder money. The greater the pension benefit offered, the more dirty money can be laundered.

Originally Posted by Taratova

I know full well about demonic power against man by lucifer working in people.

Uh, wut?

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

You are more socialist than Obama, and you are proving it with every post you make.

Yes, he is.

Originally Posted by Taratova

you are lying as usual. I never said bailout. You are the deceiver with your lying post. Do you always put lying words in people's mouth?

A rose by any other name....

Originally Posted by bobtn

Taratova, Unions priced themselves into their tragic free fall position. Obama had nothing to do with that, nor should he stop it. Free market worked, unions overprice themselves, corps seek more economical means of production.

They surely did.

Originally Posted by Taratova

Can anyone read and comprehend anything I post?

Yes, I can.

You're a flaming Socialist in love with Socialist unions.

You didn't want to take responsibility for yourself, instead you sloughed that responsibility off onto the Socialist unions.

You didn't give a damn that the Socialist unions were run by Italian and Jewish Organized Crime syndicates.

You didn't give a damn that Organized Crime was laundering Blood Money through our pension plans.

Your pension plans were never viable, and even a 5-year-old could do the math and figure that out.

And you were dumb enough to think the tax-payers would rescue you.

The union leaders got rich off of you, and the Organized Crime families got rich off of you, so you need to take it up with them. You need to sue the union leaders and the crime families like the Gambino Family and the Trafficante Family.

You want a bailout, then get the De Bartolo Family to sell both of their sports teams and use the money to fund your pension.

Originally Posted by pantin23

I like how the republicans constantly talk about reducing the deficit, yet 50% of it goes to social security and medicare.

The General Fund does not pay Social Security Benefits, by thanks for the display of ignorance all the same.

Originally Posted by pantin23

While I do believe that the retirement age should be raised (or at least proportional w/the median age), ....

Other foreign States tried and failed, most notably France.

Oh, you didn't know that? Well, then I guess you had best read up on the massive problems you will have raising the retirement age.

Originally Posted by Taratova

There are not enough Union workers to fund the pensions.

That's why it's called a Ponzi-Scheme.

What fool would dump money into a Ponzi-Scheme?

Originally Posted by Taratova

I know somewhat about unions.

Okay, then tell us which Organized Crime Families ran which unions?

Can you at least explain why the American Hospital Association and unions lobbied Congress and the IRS to end Free Market health insurance in 1954?

Probably not.

Organized Crime cannot launder Blood Money through insurance plans that are regulated by the States.

However, if a union has the American Hospital Association's Blue Cross, then Organized Crime can launder Blood Money, since the Blue Cross is totally exempt from all regulation and oversight by State insurance commissions.

That was the whole purpose of the "Enabling Laws" or "Enabling Legislation" obtained by the American Hospital Association in the 1930s from the States.

See, the 1949 In Re: Inland Steel decision by the Supreme Court signaled that employer-sponsored health plans were not just a passing fad; they were here to stay.

Now, for-profit insurance jumps into the health insurance market and takes over from the Blue Cross, because private for-profit health insurance was not only less expensive than the Blue Cross, but Americans could profit off of their health plan coverage.....something Americans could not do with Blue Cross.

You can't launder money through an insurance company that gets audited every other Tuesday by State regulators.

Originally Posted by Taratova

The problem is, there are not enough Union workers to put into the fund...

Yes, that's a Ponzi-Scheme. It's Fraud. We covered that.

I'm not obligated to bailout Fraud or support Organized Crime.

Originally Posted by Taratova

I never once said the government should step in to save the pensions... the government voted to cut pensions.

What's the alternative to not cutting pensions?

A bailout.

Not so semantically.....

Mircea

[Mack Knife]

Take a chill pill, it doesn't affect all pensions. This isn't the end of all.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

So you were depending on people that you refuse to vote for to protect your interests?

How does that work exactly?

Nice twist there. What the poster was saying is that the left claims it is for helping the poor and working Americans. Whether or not one votes left that should still include them. So that's how it works.

[jimazee]

Originally Posted by bobtn

Taratova, Pensions in private sectors whoosh are not solvent should be able to right-size the obligations, no matter how much the retirees think of themselves as sacred cows.

If true for private pensions it should apply to public pensions too.