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Old 01-06-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
That is beside the point..... The carrying of a lethal object is not the subject of discussion......

We are discussing the concept of being prepared, and if preparing for an unlikely event equates to fear. The method of preparation we use, or what we are preparing for, is irrelevant. It's the concept of being prepared that is being discussed.

If carrying a gun to prepare for the unlikely event that I will be attacked equates to fear, than by an extension of that logic, preparing for any other unlikely event must also equate to fear. If carrying a gun to the store means I'm "afraid" , then carrying a tire iron in preparation for a flat means that you are "afraid" to drive without one
I'm not sure what a concealed weapon prepares you for other than attempting to fend off an attack.

Unfortunately, that strategy may well backfire. This Idaho woman shot at Walmart was carrying a concealed weapon but wound up being shot and killed by her own gun.

Other cases....

Woman shot at Lowe's after gun drops from holster | Fox News

Iowa man’s gun accidentally fires from pants pocket at Wal-Mart

Man with concealed carry charged in accidental shooting of wife in restaurant

New Jersey man with concealed weapon accidentally shoots self and friend in restaurant

Concealed weapon permit holder injures woman in Orlando bar

Man shot inside restaurant restroom when gun falls off toilet paper dispenser

Mississippi woman struck by bullet shell after man ignores ‘no guns’ sign at church

Walmart Shootings: Conceal carry permit holder accidentally shoots himself in Tennessee Walmart

Walmart Shootings: Man with gun license unintentionally shoots himself in Pennsylvania Walmart parking lot

Man Accidentally Shoots himself at Autozone

Customer accidentally fires gun at Taco Bell

Gun carried by CCW holder accidentally fires at Burlington Coat Factory

Utah teacher with concealed weapon accidentally shoots herself in the leg in school bathroom

As you know, the list goes on....
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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You are more at risk of being shot with your own gun than by an unknown intruder. There is no such thing as a safe gun.
Probably true if you do everything you are not supposed to, just like what happened in this tragic story. Negligence is the factor here , not the implement. A gun sitting doing nothing isn't going to hurt anyone or anything.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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I'm not sure what a concealed weapon prepares you for other than attempting to fend off an attack.

Unfortunately, that strategy may well backfire. This Idaho woman shot at Walmart was carrying a concealed weapon but wound up being shot and killed by her own gun.

Other cases....

Woman shot at Lowe's after gun drops from holster | Fox News

Iowa man’s gun accidentally fires from pants pocket at Wal-Mart

Man with concealed carry charged in accidental shooting of wife in restaurant

New Jersey man with concealed weapon accidentally shoots self and friend in restaurant

Concealed weapon permit holder injures woman in Orlando bar

Man shot inside restaurant restroom when gun falls off toilet paper dispenser

Mississippi woman struck by bullet shell after man ignores ‘no guns’ sign at church

Walmart Shootings: Conceal carry permit holder accidentally shoots himself in Tennessee Walmart

Walmart Shootings: Man with gun license unintentionally shoots himself in Pennsylvania Walmart parking lot

Man Accidentally Shoots himself at Autozone

Customer accidentally fires gun at Taco Bell

Gun carried by CCW holder accidentally fires at Burlington Coat Factory

Utah teacher with concealed weapon accidentally shoots herself in the leg in school bathroom

As you know, the list goes on....
Which will never happen when my gun doesn't have a round in the chamber.

I'll take the second to chamber a round if necessary.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: DC
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With over 300 million guns in the US, if each of those guns killed a single person every 300 years, we'd have 2,739 people killed by a gun every single day.

Currently, we have 87 people who are either murdered or killed accidentally by guns each day in the US. About Gun Violence | Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

That would mean, each of those guns would be responsible for a death every 9,444 years.

If the odds are that my Walther PPS would be statistically responsible for a death every 9,444 years, I wouldn't call it that dangerous.
According to your approach, doubling the number of guns would make us safer because it's unlikely that the number of gun deaths would double. This is why you are called a "gun nut."
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: DC
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Probably true if you do everything you are not supposed to, just like what happened in this tragic story. Negligence is the factor here , not the implement. A gun sitting doing nothing isn't going to hurt anyone or anything.
Yeah, until you add people there's no danger.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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Yeah, until you add people there's no danger.
Actually you are wrong. Add negligence and then there is danger.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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Actually you are wrong. Add negligence and then there is danger.
Wherever there are people and guns there will be negligence, malevolence and gun deaths.

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Old 01-06-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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Wherever there are people and guns there will be negligence, malevolence and gun deaths.
And wherever there are people there will be deaths... imagine that. We just can't get away from it can we ? Oddly I don't see deaths from firearms very high on this list ?

CDC’s Top 10 Causes of Death in the United States | Health, Medical, and Science Updates
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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This is why it is impossible to have a productive
discussion on this topic with a pro-gunner.

It is the WHOLE point.
No, it is not the point at all. Why? Because the subject of the discussion is about the philosophical concept of being prepared itself, and whether the urge to do so equates to fear, NOT what is being prepared for, or how one prepares for it.

I realize understanding this may require a deeper level of thought than some people are capable of.

Last edited by WhipperSnapper 88; 01-06-2015 at 09:23 AM..
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by arjay57 View Post
I'm not sure what a concealed weapon prepares you for
other than attempting to fend off an attack.
That is exactly what carrying a concealed weapon prepares you for.


Quote:

Unfortunately, that strategy may well backfire. This Idaho woman shot at
Walmart was carrying a concealed weapon but wound up being shot and killed by
her own gun.

Other cases....

Woman shot at Lowe's after gun drops from holster | Fox
News


Iowa man’s gun accidentally fires from pants pocket at Wal-Mart

Man with concealed carry charged in accidental shooting of wife
in restaurant


New Jersey man with concealed weapon accidentally shoots self
and friend in restaurant


Concealed weapon permit holder injures woman in Orlando
bar


Man shot inside restaurant restroom when gun falls off toilet
paper dispenser


Mississippi woman struck by bullet shell after man ignores ‘no
guns’ sign at church


Walmart Shootings: Conceal carry permit holder accidentally
shoots himself in Tennessee Walmart


Walmart Shootings: Man with gun license unintentionally shoots
himself in Pennsylvania Walmart parking lot


Man Accidentally Shoots himself at Autozone

Customer accidentally fires gun at Taco Bell

Gun carried by CCW holder accidentally fires at Burlington Coat
Factory


Utah teacher with concealed weapon accidentally shoots herself
in the leg in school bathroom


As you know, the list goes on....
And I could post just as many if not more stories of people defending their lives with a concealed weapon, so where exactly does that leave us?
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