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Sometimes, I find these post hilarious considering what European countries did to several countries around the world during the last 300 years.
I guess you can say the Muslims are doing exactly what the Europeans did to their countries over the last one to two hundred years. Had Europeans never invaded other countries, it's very likely almost all the European countries would be like Japan today, very homogeneous with no threat of immigration. probably not as rich or influential around the world either.
They believe in the same God that Christians believe in, that Jews believe in. They follow the God of Abraham. Three religions, all based on the same foundation, that each took different paths.
well thats a grossly terrible analogy.
First of all belief in some particular god does not a cult create.
Jim Jones and David Koresh "believed" in the same God Muslims do... we dont not, not call them cultists.
Islam is not a cult per sey but it certainly has a problem that leads to a level of cultism far above that of any other faith. Islam has a serious problem and we cannot stick our heads in the sand over it and pretend what is going on today is no different from the crusades.
The stinking crusades were a THOUSAND YEARS AGO. Mulisms have been killing thousands of people every single year for a thousand years.
Do you think that the attack on the magazine ADVANCED a religious ideology?
Because I don't. I think the reaction is quite the opposite, that people (of all beliefs) are repulsed by this kind of violence. And I think the terrorists know that. They don't think that this is going to attract people to their cause, it's not going to persuade people that Islam is a great religion. Just the opposite.
Their motivation isn't to advance their religion. It's to make people aware of their anger and dissatisfaction. They are the whiners who have determined that they won't be ignored anymore. Religion is just a tool. Anger and hatred is what really guides them.
Regardless of what the result is (i.e., less people being attracted to Islam), then yes, the attack on the magazine was meant to ADVANCE (and serve) the religious motive. But remember how many western idiots converted to Islam after 9/11 because they "researched the religion and were drawn to it."
There is no other reason than religious motive. If they hadn't dared to satirize Muhammed they wouldn't have been attacked. They weren't anti-statists, communists, fascists, anarchists, or other kid of ideologically driven attackers. They were motivated by religion. Thinking they were PROTECTIVE of the religion.
It's fear. You can try to cloak it any way you want to, but it's fear.
For me it's not fear. It's an extreme dislike, on the verge of hate.
I have no fear that some whacked out muslim will ever kill me, but they've killed enough other innocent people for me to hate them and want them gone (permanently).
Ask your friends if they believe that people should die if Islam is insulted. It's not all about actions, often times, they support and justify those actions.
Of course they don't believe that. People can have beliefs and customs and be respectful of people that don't. I eat pork and drink, but he chooses not to, because of his belief but doesn't have an issue with it because he knows I'm not Muslim.
No offense, but I think some posters here need to get out more and stop living under a rock. There are a ton of Muslim people in western countries like the US now. I live in the DC area and we have a large Pakistani and Middle Eastern population and all the ones I've met have been peacefully and quick to condemn those who use violence in the name of the religion.
Maybe you could help us slow-wits out by explaining why you seem to side with the enemy.
I side with the Constitution of the United States. I believe, with every fiber of my being, that the republic that the Founding Fathers designed is the best government ever created, that it didn't just promise freedom but laid out a foundation for freedom that is unequaled in the history of man. When I read the tripe you post here, about egregiously violating the First Amendment of that Constitution, about blithely dismissing the freedoms outlined in that First Amendment, I cringe. When Ben Franklin remarked that they had created a republic, if we could keep it, he recognized that there would be people like you, many, many people like you, who would act out of fear and hatred, and undermine the principles of this nation, by restricting free speech, by outlawing certain religions, by putting into laws their prejudices, fears and biases. The enemy is not terrorists in France, the enemy is ourselves. We are too willing to sacrifice freedom, we are too blind to see that security is just an illusion.
There will always be terrorists among the human race. People who are angry and who feel ignored and who think the world should be fair. They will resort to violence in an effort to be heard, to air their grievances. There will always be terrorists. And we will always have to fight them.
But, more importantly, we will always have to fight to preserve the Constitution of the United States. That's a fight that is ongoing. And the enemy isn't the masked man with some automatic weapon. It's ourselves. It's our fear and our blind hatred. We cannot violate the rights of the few without violating the rights of all of us.
There is a group here in England known as the EDL, which stands for English Defence League. They came into being after their leader witnessed muslims holding signs as British soldiers marched through a town. They had returned from a tour of Afghanistan. The signs held messages like 'Baby Killers.' So, the EDL was born.
They held marches in various towns around England. The newspapers wasted no time in trying to destroy the image of their leader as a racist. A few years ago, such a march was held in the town I live in. Local news advised people to stay away while this march took place. We were also informed just how much this march was costing for police security, and the loss to local businesses.
I decided I wanted to witness this, and went into town the day of the march. As I got to the centre, I saw the whole area was fenced off. Inside the fenced area was the anti-fascists as they billed themselves. There were hundreds of police on the outside of the fences keeping these people in. They were a mixed bunch of young white people, blacks, and asians. By asians, I mean pakistani muslims. They were screaming abuse at the police, and holding up signs which said, "more immigration - yes please' and 'god is great.' I had never seen anything like it. All those people their faces contorted in anger and hate.
A policeman said to me, "I would leave the area if I was you. This lot are awaiting the march past of the EDL." I decided to stay........ among the police. Eventually, the EDL walked by on the main road. There was about 100 of them, a tiny amount compared to the so called anti-fascists. The crowd behind the barriers screamed abuse, and tried to push their way through the barriers. The police somehow held their ground. If they had succeeded, and got to the marchers, I am convinced some would have been killed.
For me, whatever the political affiliations of the marchers, to do what they did took guts. There was no guarantee the police line would have held. Every march the EDL has held, newspapers, politicians, and local officials condemn the EDL, and not the dangerous mob that oppose them. This is what it boils down to, the English people feel that the law is not on our side. For some reason beyond our understanding, massive muslim immigration has been allowed into this country. I have no doubt when I watch the television news later, politicians will come on saying this atrocity was carried out by fanatics, and the majority of muslims condemn this.
The only thing is, this will be stated by white politicians, not muslim leaders. The fact is, what these people have done today with these murders, is what their holy book tells them to do. This book is the actual word of God they believe, not an interpretation by man. Insult the Prophet, and you die..... simple as that.
Any muslim leader condemning the killers will put his own life in danger. Many will see these men as good muslims, doing their duty. This is what we are dealing with here. Eventually terrorism will come to our shores here in England. I have no doubt about it. Politicians will try and placate muslims when the time comes. Anything to avoid a civil war. It won't matter, when muslims decide they are enough in number, they will try and take over.
Probably first through legal means. More muslim MPs in Government, and try to influence policy that way. Eventually, I don't believe that will be enough, and we will get terrorist acts similar to what we had with the IRA. Bombs in buildings, and cars. That sort of thing. They will possibly demand an independent state within England. This will be refused, and a civil war will commence. Then it'll be them or us. If we lose, god help us.
This is why the majority of people don't march in protest. They feel our own Government is against us, and accuse us of racism. I guess there are similar views all over Europe. The folks marching in Germany against mass immigration are getting similar treatment from authority. I dread where all this is heading, and hope I am dead and gone before it hits the fan.
Thank you -- Well said and well written.
My husband and I always thought we would retire in Europe, but after the changes we've seen do to the Islamic invasion these last years, we changed our plans. I hope America wakes up before it's too late.
They believe in the same God that Christians believe in, that Jews believe in. They follow the God of Abraham. Three religions, all based on the same foundation, that each took different paths.
And each of these religions has their own claims to shame. Each of these religions has been USED and invoked to commit terrible atrocities. Each of these religions have scriptures that are ambiguous, contradictory, and confounding. All of these scriptures have been re-written, interpreted, and translated to the point that what we read today bears little resemblance to the original texts.
And the extremists are cloaking their goals behind the veil of religion, just like those that participated in the Crusades, or in the Inquisition, did. They are human beings who are angry and fearful and dissatisfied and who think that great injustices are carried out by the rich and powerful. Just like a lot of Americans feel about government, and about the rich and powerful. They are human beings who think that violence will get them heard. Unfortunately, I think there are Americans who think that way, too.
Terrorism has to be stopped. But it's not going to be stopped by oppression and suppression of a religion. That just leads to more feelings of fear and anger. More blind hatred. And, like it or not, there will always be people on this planet who will be the have-nots. Who will hate those who do have. Who will feel that the unfairness of life is a great injustice. Who will turn to violence, because they'd rather burn the world down, then be those who are without.
The world is full of angry, young men with no opportunities. ISIS recruits and pays the equivelent of a middle class wage and the promice of a wife- huge incentive for desperate people.
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