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Old 01-11-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Eliminate terrorism by committing the single largest act of terror in world history. What next Einstein?
Don't say that. Maddie is sure to classify it as an anti-Semitic remark.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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Eliminate terrorism by committing the single largest act of terror in world history. What next Einstein?
Removing a cancerous, diseased, non-representative regime that is fomenting wars in 4 other countries is now "terrorism"? I think you need a dictionary, sonny.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:56 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Just pick one of the muslim countries, Saudi Arabia will do and nuke it massively . Then send a message to the remainder what the consequences will be on the next act of terrorism. And follow through on the threat.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Don't say that. Maddie is sure to classify it as an anti-Semitic remark.
From a poster with a USS liberty msg in its sig, yes, you're so very credible... :roll eyes:

Now at long last, ignored.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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"Lt. Col. Ralph Peters tonight gave a detailed plan to Bill O’Reilly on how he would fight terror.

“One: You accept that you are in a war. Two: You name the enemy, Islamist terrorists. Three: You get the lawyers off the battlefield […] you accept there will be collateral damage and you do not apologize for it. You do not nation build, you don’t try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them, you do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows."

Bomb, bomb, bomb.
Bomb, bomb, Paree!
Reminds me of that quip from the Vietnam War...."We had to destroy the village inorder to save it". Wonder if someone actually used that phrase.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:11 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So we have smart nuclear weapons now? As the bombs detonate, they automagically detect non-muslim americans and refrain from harming them even as the bombs vaporize everyone else? Please do explain.
Oh, please! Are you able to read and comprehend? Apparently not.

One of the reasons we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to save American lives, which would have been lost in a full scale invasion of Japan, which was "on the table." It would have been costly.

Now, are you through appearing stupid?
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Old 01-13-2015, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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One of the reasons we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to save American lives, which would have been lost in a full scale invasion of Japan, which was "on the table." It would have been costly.
July 1945 - Japan's peace messages

Still, the messages from Togo to Sato, read by the U.S. at the time, clearly indicated that Japan was seeking to end the war:

July 11: "make clear to Russia... We have no intention of annexing or taking possession of the areas which we have been occupying as a result of the war; we hope to terminate the war".
July 12: "it is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift termination of the war".
July 13: "I sent Ando, Director of the Bureau of Political Affairs to communicate to the [Soviet] Ambassador that His Majesty desired to dispatch Prince Konoye as special envoy, carrying with him the personal letter of His Majesty stating the Imperial wish to end the war" (for above items, see: U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 1, pg. 873-879).
July 18: "Negotiations... necessary... for soliciting Russia's good offices in concluding the war and also in improving the basis for negotiations with England and America." (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/18/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
July 22: "Special Envoy Konoye's mission will be in obedience to the Imperial Will. He will request assistance in bringing about an end to the war through the good offices of the Soviet Government." The July 21st communication from Togo also noted that a conference between the Emperor's emissary, Prince Konoye, and the Soviet Union, was sought, in preparation for contacting the U.S. and Great Britain (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/22/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
July 25: "it is impossible to accept unconditional surrender under any circumstances, but we should like to communicate to the other party through appropriate channels that we have no objection to a peace based on the Atlantic Charter." (U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 2, pg. 1260 - 1261).
July 26: Japan's Ambassador to Moscow, Sato, to the Soviet Acting Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Lozovsky: "The aim of the Japanese Government with regard to Prince Konoye's mission is to enlist the good offices of the Soviet Government in order to end the war." (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/26/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
President Truman knew of the messages' content, noting, for instance, in his diary on July 18, "Stalin had told P.M. [Prime Minister Churchill] of telegram from... Emperor asking for peace" (Robert Ferrell, ed., Off the Record - the Private Papers of Harry S. Truman, pg. 53).
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Old 01-13-2015, 02:19 AM
 
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Removing a cancerous, diseased, non-representative regime that is fomenting wars in 4 other countries is now "terrorism"? I think you need a dictionary, sonny.
Wrong target. I meant to reply to the person you were replying to.
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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Wrong target. I meant to reply to the person you were replying to.
"Wrong target"? It is VERY hard in this forum to confuse the hopelessly stupid/clueless and the rational, so I do take that VERY personally...






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Old 01-14-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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July 1945 - Japan's peace messages

BS deleted

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None of the BS above was an offer of unconditional surrender. It was offers of conditional peace through other parties. Losing a war means having to say 'I surrender', not 'Sorry bout that'.

Inserting your own context of the actions taken does nothing to prove to anyone the intent of the original statements made by the actual person's.

And besides, the Japanese had already detonated their own test atom bomb by the time they were asking to 'end the war'. Considering how they started the war (sneak attack while their ambassador was in Washington to treat on their own behalf) speaks volumes about their intent and cunning lies. What side of history would you rather be on? Maybe living in Tokyo on the Mississippi would be more to your liking?

Read and study history in the context of the times, not in hindsight.
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