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Old 01-11-2015, 06:14 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Japan was offering surrender terms before Hiroshima.
Proof please.

Or I call BS.
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Old 01-11-2015, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Proof please.

Or I call BS.
Hiroshima: the Article

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July 1945 - Japan's peace messages

Still, the messages from Togo to Sato, read by the U.S. at the time, clearly indicated that Japan was seeking to end the war:

July 11: "make clear to Russia... We have no intention of annexing or taking possession of the areas which we have been occupying as a result of the war; we hope to terminate the war".
July 12: "it is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift termination of the war".
July 13: "I sent Ando, Director of the Bureau of Political Affairs to communicate to the [Soviet] Ambassador that His Majesty desired to dispatch Prince Konoye as special envoy, carrying with him the personal letter of His Majesty stating the Imperial wish to end the war" (for above items, see: U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 1, pg. 873-879).
July 18: "Negotiations... necessary... for soliciting Russia's good offices in concluding the war and also in improving the basis for negotiations with England and America." (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/18/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
July 22: "Special Envoy Konoye's mission will be in obedience to the Imperial Will. He will request assistance in bringing about an end to the war through the good offices of the Soviet Government." The July 21st communication from Togo also noted that a conference between the Emperor's emissary, Prince Konoye, and the Soviet Union, was sought, in preparation for contacting the U.S. and Great Britain (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/22/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
July 25: "it is impossible to accept unconditional surrender under any circumstances, but we should like to communicate to the other party through appropriate channels that we have no objection to a peace based on the Atlantic Charter." (U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 2, pg. 1260 - 1261).
July 26: Japan's Ambassador to Moscow, Sato, to the Soviet Acting Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Lozovsky: "The aim of the Japanese Government with regard to Prince Konoye's mission is to enlist the good offices of the Soviet Government in order to end the war." (Magic-Diplomatic Summary, 7/26/45, Records of the National Security Agency, Magic Files, RG 457, Box 18, National Archives).
President Truman knew of the messages' content, noting, for instance, in his diary on July 18, "Stalin had told P.M. [Prime Minister Churchill] of telegram from... Emperor asking for peace" (Robert Ferrell, ed., Off the Record - the Private Papers of Harry S. Truman, pg. 53).
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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He kept McCain and Romney from the White House.
American voter ignorance about Obama, and media propaganda kept McCain and Romney from the White House, not G.W. Bush. Obama was elected primarily because of the color of his skin, not because he had any qualifications (which he didn't). American voters either ignored Obama's ties to radical groups and enemies of America (like Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright, to name two), or they refused to discover anything about his past (including his advocacy for the overthrow of the U.S. government, his ties to militant Marxist/socialist groups).


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Lotsa dog fights in the dangerous skies of Alabama, eh?
To become a fighter pilot is no small accomplishment, and it says much about the man, his mental acumen, and therefore his qualification for Commander-in-Chief of America's armed forces. Obama has zero qualifications for Commander-in-Chief, nor any other qualifications for the Office.


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Oh, and BTW, Bush was a drunk.
Obama was a "coke-head." Why don't you hold that against him? He also used marijuana (and probably other drugs). You excuse him, but not Bush, for his past. Why is that?
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:46 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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If you want an honest answer this then:

  1. If you are any country except for China & Russia, then you would be doing everything you can to appeasethat country so it doesn't happen to you. There is no defense from a submarine launch on the other side of the planet that can level all your cities in less than 30 minutes.
  2. If you are China & Russia, you'd make a big stink about it, but then you'd do the same thing with your interests.
  3. China, Russia, USA makes sure they don't offend each other. Rest of world doesn't matter.
  4. If rule #3 is violated, Earth returns to nature over a long period.
That's not an honest answer. SO not only would we have to declare war on 1.2 billion muslims, but have to deal with the entire international community. America would never recover from committing the largest genocide in human history. Our economy would fall apart once this happened as no one would trade or do business with America.


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Was bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki "terrorism" in your view? Hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed. But thousands of American lives were saved, and Japan surrendered, ending its bloody war against the U.S. and islands in the Pacific.

But I agree with cutting off funding of these nations.

I'll ignore the ignorance displayed by your last question and your personal attack on me ("vile cretin like [me]").
Totally different subjects. We had a clear picture of who and where the enemy was in WWII.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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The amount of things that obama doesn't understand could fill the cloud.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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There is no way to win it.
We just need to leave
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Doesn't matter. Target every damn nation that supports this evil religion called Islam. They all support terrorism. Have any of them condemned this? No, they have not. They are all 100% behind it. Wipe them all out. The whole damn lot of them. Or they will wipe us out.
The United States supports Islam. Did you think this cunning plan through?
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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It's called war. And we need to name the enemy and declare war. Then we execute that war.

Our problem is that the current administration, and milquetoast Liberals, refuse to name the enemy. People say, "it's only 'radical Islam.' I say, it is Islam. Period. The history of Islam is a history of a conquering 'cult' (yes, I said cult) which has always targeted Jews and Christians, since the very founding of Islam. "Convert or die" has always been their battle cry. This isn't something that just cropped up in modern times.

Our first target should be Syria. Nuke it! Perhaps next should be Yemen. By that time they should have gotten the message, and we should make it clear that it isn't going to stop until the terrorism stops and they stop threatening Israel, and the West.
The last president...the one you voted for, didn't declare war against Islam either. In fact, he said that it's a religion of peace.

Secondly, Do you plan on participating in these wars against Islam that you're endorsing here?

Nope. And you wouldn't if you could.
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The last president...the one you voted for, didn't declare war against Islam either. In fact, he said that it's a religion of peace.

Secondly, Do you plan on participating in these wars against Islam that you're endorsing here?

Nope. And you wouldn't if you could.
So, in other words, you have no plan to deal with this, and you also refuse to identify the enemy (most likely out of ignorance of Islam, or out of fear).

I have already served my country. I'm a Vietnam vet. And you? What have you done for your country?
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Israel and the U.S. are precisely the only countries in the world that truly deserve to be nuked.
Care to explain why?

Are you a U.S. citizen? If so, why?
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