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Old 01-08-2008, 05:26 PM
 
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Limit benefits. Government should provide a safety net, not be a crutch.

No benefits for illegals.

Remove impediments to job growth. Lowering taxes, for example. The more money people have to spend, the more goods and services are needed (oh noes, free market solutions!).
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Old 01-08-2008, 05:29 PM
 
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Yes,backfist, isn't it soooo easy to pick on those less fortunate while quivering in abject fear of those "welfare" recipients who are rolling in money?

Off-shore corporations who pay no taxes(and all the other corporate loopholes), sucking off tax paying Americans.....OH NO let's tip-toe delicately around THAT but let's come down hard on the poor struggling Americans many of whom DO and DID pay taxes when they could find a job.

Some here wish to even punish the children of the poor !!! Like it's their fault they were born poor! And if they are unfortunate enough to have too many older siblings they should starve!
In the "Greatest Country in the World".




"""I would get rid of it... can't find a job... I'll make one for you"""


You better get busy creating those jobs , the unemployment rate is rising... ...and don't forget the jobless who have degrees ! There's plenty of those!



The $$$ amount paid to people on welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to what Corporate America is STEALING but don't, whatever you do, raise your voices against the wealthy !
Don't get me wrong, I would end corporate welfare too. The wall is going to be massive, big enough to take ALL the unemployed and besides that, we need patrol guards along the fence. After they are done building it, they can guard it too. There you go, no more welfare...
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:58 PM
 
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I would make every person work for thier welfare, cleaning the roads and parks and such, I would stop the food stamps and make them get thier food as it used to be at a welfre store, no brand name foods, they would get thier basic needs taken care of and thats it. i would give them an incentive to work. the number of children would not affect your benifites. No cash for drugs, smokes or booze. housing would be large apartment complexes which they would maintain.

Same here. There are certainly plenty of things for people to do. This would keep them occupied and learning useful skills. We could be a cleaner more productive nation.

Group homes would be more efficient than having the welfare population all spread out. Unwed mothers living in a group home could have built-in child care and babysitting so that the pressures of being with small children all day would not be an excuse to abuse or neglect their children.

Food stamps should be like WIC -- limited to just a few wholesome foods. A balanced diet -- instead of what we so often see -- carts filled with cokes, cookies, ice cream and pure junk foods.
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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1) Get rid of Anchor Babies

2) No assistance for any persons whom are not citizens of this country.

3) Change everything so that you have to work at least 30 hours a week to receive benefits.

4) Benefits max out at around $1K/month (no matter what family size). No more welfare bundle to subsidize every aspect of your life.

5) Child Support will lessen your benefits. In fact, child support will no longer be a check - but rather a monthly filled debit card. That way SS and the father can all see what the money is being spent on. If the mother uses it on non-necessities, that money will be taken out of the next refill.

6) Instead of Medicaid (free healthcare) - FAMIS (or something like it) should become the new MEDICAID. ((FAMIS is an access to INSURANCE - with every aspect of insurance through private sector, just cheaper.))

7) Create time limits for all aid except to permanently disabled individuals.

8) If you get a job that puts you above the limit, you will still get your benefits for an additional 3 months. This way, you can get your money straight. After that 3 months, you will not be able to apply for another year - less disability occurs.

9) Government grants for college should be by merit, not income. That's not to say that I would agree with children looking to inherit millions from their parents getting a "Free ride to college" - but no matter what we do, there's always going to be somebody who needs it.
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:10 AM
 
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For starters, anyone that is in this country illegally gets nada. And anyone that offers that person housing or a job gets hit with a $25,000 fine for the first offense. There would be a mass exodus of them crossing back over the border to where they came. Now that we've taken care of roughly 20 million people, at least half that are sucking he financial life out of this country, we can start to take care of our own.

Making credit card or vehicle payments? No welfare or food stamps. I've driven $500 cars. My son is driving a $500 car. Save up 2 months payments and your car is paid for. Can't bear to live without the new living room furniture so you pop that on a credit card? Grow up. Just because you put yourself deep in debt doesn't mean I should support you.

So, there's a huge difference.

Now let's take care of those that need help. Get them an education if they don't have it. The billions we've already saved can easily help out there. We're hurting in the medical field in this country. Start training those on public assistance there. Get them into public housing. Very tiny small apartments. It's cheap to house them while they attend school. So we support them with housing, food, utilities for a year. Period. Then they get a month to find a job and start paying their own way and have 6 months to find their own housing. Within a year and a half you've got someone weaned off the system.

Next we need to get rid of the entitlement attitude we have in this country. For some reason more and more people seem to think we 'owe' them for whatever reason. Sorry, but in my opinion, the only people we owe a thing to are those in the military and emergency services that are putting their lives on the line to make sure we can sleep safe at night.

"""For starters, anyone that is in this country illegally gets nada. And anyone that offers that person housing or a job gets hit with a $25,000 fine for the first offense. There would be a mass exodus of them crossing back over the border to where they came. Now that we've taken care of roughly 20 million people, at least half that are sucking he financial life out of this country, we can start to take care of our own.""

Yes, and I see you want to ignore the corporations who are sucking the life out of this country .



"""Now let's take care of those that need help. Get them an education if they don't have it. The billions we've already saved can easily help out there. We're hurting in the medical field in this country. Start training those on public assistance there. Get them into public housing. Very tiny small apartments. It's cheap to house them while they attend school. So we support them with housing, food, utilities for a year. Period. Then they get a month to find a job and start paying their own way and have 6 months to find their own housing. Within a year and a half you've got someone weaned off the system.""


And when they, and others who have that degree, lose those jobs to other countries then what ?

""
Next we need to get rid of the entitlement attitude we have in this country. For some reason more and more people seem to think we 'owe' them for whatever reason. Sorry, but in my opinion, the only people we owe a thing to are those in the military and emergency services that are putting their lives on the line to make sure we can sleep safe at night.[/quote]""


Then let's push our politicians to pass laws that will protect America from the corporations that are not paying any taxes...these extremely wealthy CEO's who feel they're entitled to cheat and steal !
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Old 01-09-2008, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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This whole lock up the CEO issue has nothing to do with the fact that there are a number of people in this country that will not work. It is not a job opportunity issue it is a motivation issue.

As a middle-school teacher I can attest that many excellent programs are offered for students to have a better life than their parents and receive a quality education. Unfortunately, the vast majority of students being brought up in homes where the parent has been on welfare fail to achieve despite tremendous efforts on the part of the schools, teachers, and support services.

Most schools are offering programs targeting at-risk students in reading and math while offering activities, mentors, tutors, intervention-specialists etc. The sad fact is that no societal program can fully overcome the negative effects of a child being brought up in an environment where education and work are not respected. Add the drug and alcohol problems, transient "guests", and frequent dislocation and it is understandable why children growing up in poverty under perform their peers by a wide margin.

As teachers, we will not give up providing the best educational opportunities for all with the goal of helping each child do their personal best and be prepared to be productive and educated members of society.

Social assistance must be tied to work, education, and training. Children's welfare must be considered in the case of mothers having multiple children while receiving welfare benefits. Parents that continue to make irresponsible decisions that adversely affect their child's welfare should be held accountable.
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:19 AM
 
Location: lumberton, texas
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I'm all for ending most dependence on the state, but what about those who are unable to work? There are people who are mentally and physically incapable of working.
Those people, the govt should take care of. but there are some that could contribute to society in some way and should be made to. I have a cousin who could in no way hold down a real job because of minor mental disabilities. There is certainly no reason why she couldnt do 20 hours a month of community service though. cleaning up a park, the street, volunteering at a zoo, etc. She makes $800 a month in SSI plus food stamps, and medical. The girl does nothing but sit around the house and eat. Theres our tax dollars at work!
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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"""Next we need to get rid of the entitlement attitude we have in this country. For some reason more and more people seem to think we 'owe' them for whatever reason. Sorry, but in my opinion, the only people we owe a thing to are those in the military and emergency services that are putting their lives on the line to make sure we can sleep safe at night."""


You bet I'm entitled. As a good tax paying citizen of the "world's greatest country" I am entitled!

I am entitled to good leadership.
I am entitled to good representation in our governing body.
I am entitled to safety.
I am entitled to the opportunity to get a job that pays a living wage.
I am entitled to access to decent affordable health care.



Being a responsible tax payer should entitle us to something besides a body count from Iraq!
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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This whole lock up the CEO issue has nothing to do with the fact that there are a number of people in this country that will not work. It is not a job opportunity issue it is a motivation issue.

As a middle-school teacher I can attest that many excellent programs are offered for students to have a better life than their parents and receive a quality education. Unfortunately, the vast majority of students being brought up in homes where the parent has been on welfare fail to achieve despite tremendous efforts on the part of the schools, teachers, and support services.

Most schools are offering programs targeting at-risk students in reading and math while offering activities, mentors, tutors, intervention-specialists etc. The sad fact is that no societal program can fully overcome the negative effects of a child being brought up in an environment where education and work are not respected. Add the drug and alcohol problems, transient "guests", and frequent dislocation and it is understandable why children growing up in poverty under perform their peers by a wide margin.

As teachers, we will not give up providing the best educational opportunities for all with the goal of helping each child do their personal best and be prepared to be productive and educated members of society.

Social assistance must be tied to work, education, and training. Children's welfare must be considered in the case of mothers having multiple children while receiving welfare benefits. Parents that continue to make irresponsible decisions that adversely affect their child's welfare should be held accountable.
I think you bring up a very valid point, but I have noticed that quite a few kids who grow up in this type of setting "get it" some where a bit later in life and can still become productive contributors. Middle school has to be the absolute worst place to get this view, it seems to be the age when kids are generally their most obnoxious.
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:46 AM
 
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I am entitled to good leadership.
I am entitled to good representation in our governing body.
I am entitled to safety.
I am entitled to the opportunity to get a job that pays a living wage.
I am entitled to access to decent affordable health care.



Being a responsible tax payer should entitle us to something besides a body count from Iraq!
You are entitled to the leadership that the electoral process provides.

You are entitled to the representation that the process provides.

Yes, you should be entitled to safety.

The opportunity is there, but you still must qualify for that job.

The healthcare system has big problems. That does not mean it's necessarily the government's job to care for your health. Also, the people in front of me in the emergency room getting free care for sniffles seemed to be getting pretty good care while I waited with a broken foot.

For welfare, the people that need it, should get it - handicapped, mentally ill etc. I don't mind if it's a safety net for others and think it should be. It should not be a permanent solution for those who are capable of working.

I think we should give people what they need, nutritious food etc. rather than giving them food stamps, checks etc. to buy whatever they want and abuse the system. I think those receiving the help, should contribute whether that means working shifts to serve food or using whatever skills they have to help. If you lost a job as a bookkeeper, teach others how to manage their money and get off of welfare. I think those that are in prison should work on farms to grow the food to feed the families many of them left behind. The bottom line is it should be a help to the people that need it, but they should have to make some contribution and it should not be a way of life.
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