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It seems so obvious: more guns, more bullets flying, more death.
It seems to me the reluctance of some Americans to accept the facts on guns-and-death data is the same kind of intellectual vapor lock that makes them buy lottery tickets.
I declare a holy war started
So bow down to your goddess Pelosi and don't own one, the facts aren't on your side so stick to your ignorant religious fervor. Even the CDC study, pushed by Obama, doesn't match your fantasy.
More likely to harm than protect? Wrong (as usual) The study, which was farmed out by the CDC to the Institute of Medicine and National Research Council, also revealed that while there were "about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008," the estimated number of defensive uses of guns ranges "from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year."
Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies."
There is a myth that most people who are killed are victims of a career criminal. A very large % are killed by relatives and acquaintances. Five minutes before that person's shoots he/she is one of the NRA's "good guys."
The only myth is the BS anti gun nuts constantly repeat as fact instead of fiction. Most people who are killed are career criminals, killed by career criminals.
So only "bad" guys should have guns? How do you know of his training with these weapons?
You have already stated your bias towards guns and indicated your hatred of those that go to war when called. So continue to sit in your safe little cocoon and think nothing will ever happen to you just because YOU don't think it possibly could. Naïve and wrong of course.
Did I say that? Did I say only "bad" guys should have guns?
Good guys without skills should reevaluate the decision of owning a firearm. No? If you want to use guns to defend yourself, at least get some skills.
sheesh. duh. and please explain the bolded. I am all ears.
My own brother was a Marine. I hate war absolutely I do. You have a problem with that? I especially hate those who say they support the troops, but will NEVER join the military themselves. At the same time, they have no problems sending my brothers and my friends to war. Yes, I hate them.
It seems so obvious: more guns, more bullets flying, more death.
It seems to me the reluctance of some Americans to accept the facts on guns-and-death data is the same kind of intellectual vapor lock that makes them buy lottery tickets.
I declare a holy war started
If you don't want to live in a country that guarantees the right to have a gun, you can go somewhere else where they don't.
Don't go to a steak restaurant demanding sushi, go to a sushi restaurant if that is what you want. We're sick of you demanding changes to our basic rights to suit you.
which is ironic, because yes there is a lot of blood in those places (Guns: A way of life in Wyoming | WyomingNews.com Wyoming has the largest per capita suicide rate in the nation! guess how!
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Machine guns are legal with a federal tax stamp in these states and open carry and concealed carry are allowed.
Meanwhile in NJ which has the, 2nd or so, most strict gun laws in the nation is producing about a murder or more a week.
1) strict gun laws follow shootings, not normally the other way around
2) NJ really? That is your Cherry Pick. Why not Connecticut? Why not, by your math, pick the state with the lowest gun ownership. I'm sure you will find a bastion of defenseless . .with criminals going nuts and killing everyone. No one goes to the state, fear of being killed (and not protecting yourself) is everwhere!
Alaska - is number 6 (Violent crime) 50. Hawaii - 6.7% -36 (violent crime)
data suggests more gun equal more deaths (accidents, death, and homicide). Buying a gun for fun, collection, hunting, etc are good reasons to own a gun.
Buying a gun for protection, is for people bad at math.
Of course I do. I am dating a Marine, have dated many Marines. My own brother was a Marine.
I volunteer at VA hospital BUT I HATE WAR
Do you hate war? Will you send your own kids to war? Let's go from there first before questioning me, dude.
So you believe those who hate war = against military? is it what you are implying? It looks like overwhelming majority of Americans are sick and tired of this war, if you want this war, go join the military YOURSELF. If you are too damn old, send your own sons to war. Easy solution.
If you don't want to live in a country that guarantees the right to have a gun, you can go somewhere else where they don't.
Okay for over a 100 years the courts interpreted the 2nd amendment as not guarnting gun ownership. It wasn't until big gun/NrA started their lobbying that everyone associates 2nd gun with individual gun ownership
So thanks to Good lobbying, big gun bucks buying off a few supreme court justices Yet most judges and scholars who debated the clause's awkwardly worded and oddly punctuated 27 words in the decades before Heller almost always arrived at the opposite conclusion, finding that the amendment protects gun ownership for purposes of military duty and collective security. It was drafted, after all, in the first years of post-colonial America, an era of scrappy citizen militias where the idea of a standing army—like that of the just-expelled British—evoked deep mistrust. -The Second Amendment Doesn't Say What You Think It Does | Mother Jones
so just you side with the folks with some big bucks . . .and buy off the right justices you think in a democracy. .that this is how it is forever and can't be changed and we should move.
Here i thought a democracy and a government by the people meant we can disagree and work to fix this country, instead of giving up on it and leaving.
Dude - your winning right now
but we aren't leaving, and we will be trying just as hard as you to fix things (as much as you want to keep them the same)
and hopefully, someday, we will win.
and then, maybe, you can leave?! or stay? up to you.
She has family in the military. She is not anti military.
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