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Old 01-28-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Post-secondary education in the U.S. is top rate, while K-12 is abysmal. The difference? Colleges and Universities, even the public ones, practice selective admissions, and students are sorted by ability/academic achievement, so everyone gets an appropriately challenging education.

Not only do the vast majority of our K-12 public schools not admit students selectively, but many of them even refuse to group classes by ability/skill level. Therefore, the instruction is aimed at the level at which most students in the mixed-ability class can achieve: somewhere below average.
Sure, sure, sure...

We have the top universities because our K-12 schools are pitiful and don't prepare kids for college.

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Our colleges and universities compete for top students, our K-12 public schools are in a race to the bottom.
This race to the bottom is fueled by idiotic standardized testing demanded by public cries for "accountability."
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: DC
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in the end its not the teachers, its the students that have to take advantage of the education afforded them. however private and charter schools tend to do a better job of teaching their students than public schools do..
What we have found in DC where about 40% of our students go to charters schools is that they produce about the same result as public schools. Private schools get to cherry pick students.
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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We may, as a country, need STEM graduates but our businesses will never be willing to pay them what they are worth.
I completely agree with you.

If there was really a STEM labor market crisis, you’d be seeing very different behaviors from companies.
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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He's got a point.

We sit around arguing about ridiculous stuff while the rest of the world is getting educated in the critical scientific fields. Often right here, and then they take their knowledge back home.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7D3_eGaO5k
Well once again, Michio Kaku absolutely nails it.....
Americans are dumbed down....the educational system here is a joke &
too many people get offended & defensive rather than looking at the reality of it.
He mentioned the tv-- and, of course that is the #1 habit in this country--
watching the garbage on tv or playing Xbox

It's embarrassing how advanced these other countries are rasing their kids to be-
Compared to the typical American kids.

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Both my son and I have EE degrees. We have both done very well in the US. The problem is that states have pulled funding from the state university systems and those institutions seek out foreign, mostly Chinese, students who pay top dollar to attend. We are selling our seed corn.

That in itself is pretty telling isn't it??
I've been told that there's tons of
Asians on the community college campuses here now
because the colleges are actively going to the Asian countries & recruiting them to come here......

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Old 01-28-2015, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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The bls estimates that growth field for electrical engineering is about 4% over the next decade. Perhaps that is the reason many Americans aren't getting into it :-P. In fact none of those degrees you listed have great growth potential. A lot of STEM jobs just aren't here in America anymore sadly.
Computer science doesn't have great growth potential?
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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Tactical nukes and tactical EMPs.....look for them to be used in the next ten years:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rQRuUaNeGD1qZA


This link reports that Russia has built small, tactical EMP warheads which can be fired from mortars and aimed at a very specific target.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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There's no shortage of engineers, programmers, computer science majors, etc.

Just a surplus of companies claiming one so they can hire cheap foreign workers.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I haven't listened to the link yet of Dr. Kaku (a frequent guest of Art Bell back in the day, along with various psychics, Sasquatch experts, and UFO abductees). But yes we are developing super weapons, namely energy-based as opposed to kinetic-based (i.e. throwing projectiles). This could change the nature of war in the future and thankfully could be the death knell for jihad around the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_pjzW98dM
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:10 AM
 
Location: DC
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We may, as a country, need STEM graduates but our businesses will never be willing to pay them what they are worth.
Have you looked at the difference in starting salaries of engineers vs liberal arts majors?
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:13 AM
 
Location: DC
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That in itself is pretty telling isn't it??
I've been told that there's tons of
Asians on the community college campuses here now
because the colleges are actively going to the Asian countries & recruiting them to come here......
It is a direct result of state legislatures pulling funding from our state university system. And yes it is very alarming.

There is another thread in this forum about the governor of Wisconsin cutting $300 million from university funding. He is a leading Republican Presidential hopeful.

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