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Old 01-28-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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He's got a point.

We sit around arguing about ridiculous stuff while the rest of the world is getting educated in the critical scientific fields. Often right here, and then they take their knowledge back home.

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....foreign students make up the majority of enrollments in U.S. graduate programs in many STEM fields, accounting for 70.3 percent of all full-time graduate students in electrical engineering, 63.2 percent in computer science, 60.4 percent in industrial engineering, and more than 50 percent in chemical, materials and mechanical engineering, as well as in economics (a non-STEM field). However, the report, which analyzes National Science Foundation enrollment data from 2010 by field and institution, also shows that these striking averages mask even higher proportions at many individual universities. For example, there are 36 graduate programs in electrical engineering where the proportion of international students exceeds 80 percent, including seven where it exceeds 90. (The analysis is limited to those programs with at least 30 full-time students.)

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...reign-students

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7D3_eGaO5k
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: North America
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The bls estimates that growth field for electrical engineering is about 4% over the next decade. Perhaps that is the reason many Americans aren't getting into it :-P. In fact none of those degrees you listed have great growth potential. A lot of STEM jobs just aren't here in America anymore sadly.
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The wealthy elite in many foreign countries send their sons and daughters here for college.

Must be because our education system sucks as badly as the right wing constantly whines about.
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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Right, the problem isn't a lack of engineer's. The problem is a lack of jobs for engineer's here.
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:32 AM
 
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Yup probably one of the most important topics that will be posted this month in relative to it impactfulness on our country long term.
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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So my question is this: What can be done about this? What kinds of solutions have been proposed? And it might be interesting to brainstorm on this topic to see if we can come up with ideas that have not already been proposed.

One thing to keep in mind: "Deep learning" technology seems to be changing the whole landscape of future human employment. Jobs that could, until now, only be done by humans could now potentially be done by machines. Jeremy Howard: The wonderful andterrifying implications of computers that can learn | Talk Video | TED.com

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Old 01-28-2015, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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The wealthy elite in many foreign countries send their sons and daughters here for college.

Must be because our education system sucks as badly as the right wing constantly whines about.
Do not see them coming over here to go to public schools in high school where the left wing thinks is a great education to the point of denying them the right to choose a better school. Left wings are great defending the right to choose when killing babies but will not give a child the right to choose a better school
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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Right wingers point to inner city and rural schools and say "look our schools suck, we should defund the schools because we hate teachers unions because they vote Democrat". The issues there are more societal. If you go to most middle and upper middle class areas, the schools are good. You have your issues with drugs and an overemphasis on sports, but for the most part the education is good. The issues with inner city schools are not going to change with "school choice". A kid living in the projects who doesn't know his dad, with a drug dealer as a role model, isn't going to become an Engineer.
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Do not see them coming over here to go to public schools in high school where the left wing thinks is a great education to the point of denying them the right to choose a better school. Left wings are great defending the right to choose when killing babies but will not give a child the right to choose a better school
http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/27/69...ncluding-60-of

Yup...

"America's schools suck!"

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Old 01-28-2015, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The public schools in my town of Londonderry, New Hampshire, are very good in terms of graduate's attending college. We have a high graduation rate as well. These schools are also very expensive. However, we are getting what we pay for.

I went to college in 1968 after I got back from 'Nam. I studied Environment Science that included civil engineering as well a biology and chemistry. Too bad there were no jobs available that paid well enough to justify the work. So I took what was available. I had a career essentially telling corporate slobs to stop dumping their waste on the rest of us and to clean up their messes. It paid well enough most of the time.

I should have forced myself to conform to the social codes and "Capitalist BS" that was being handed out at the Business School. I would have made a lot more money over the years but would have probably spent it on psychiatric care to keep me from going crazy.
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