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Old 02-10-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Then why even put a law up for a vote if it is unconstitutional in the first place? I'm just saying that I can vote yea or nay on any law put up for a vote. It's my choice as a voter/citizen no matter who disagrees with the way I voted or if their "opinion" is that the way I voted violates someone's rights.
Because some legislators are not too bright.

You can vote on anything you want, but if the law passed does not pass the constitutional muster then it can and probably will be overturned.
People could go vote tomorrow to ban all religious practice, but the law would not stand since it violates the 1st amendment.

 
Old 02-10-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Then why even put a law up for a vote if it is unconstitutional in the first place? I'm just saying that I can vote yea or nay on any law put up for a vote. It's my choice as a voter/citizen no matter who disagrees with the way I voted or if their "opinion" is that the way I voted violates someone's rights.
Legislatures do it hopes that it will sneak through the judicial process, or out of ignorance of how it affects others. There is nothing wrong with you voting on the matter - votes usually occur in the states where state constitutional matters are an issue. The rest is handled through the legislature, as most constitutional republics are.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Then why even put a law up for a vote if it is unconstitutional in the first place? I'm just saying that I can vote yea or nay on any law put up for a vote. It's my choice as a voter/citizen no matter who disagrees with the way I voted or if their "opinion" is that the way I voted violates someone's rights.
Because society changes, the will of the people changes, and therefore interpretations change. The constitution is a living document that must respond to changing times, like all living things.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:02 PM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Then why even put a law up for a vote if it is unconstitutional in the first place? I'm just saying that I can vote yea or nay on any law put up for a vote. It's my choice as a voter/citizen no matter who disagrees with the way I voted or if their "opinion" is that the way I voted violates someone's rights.
Because at the time the bans were voted on less people supported the concept of same sex marriages.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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1. Age of consent has nothing to do with love, sex, marriage or anything. That is an matter of privacy. That is because some religious groups believe that sex is above the age of 30++

2. A minor just means they can not participate. Age of consent varies from nation to nation. Seriously I do not care anymore because a bunch of people are brainwashed out of the smallest flirting even into their 40 ( we are living an self-hating nation ).

3. The human brain stops BS is an lie. Psychologist can say bullishness but their is no science of love, sex, or flirting. So people just stop and grow. People were getting married at the age of 12 only fourty so odd years ago. Then people were not being responsible.

4. Look the truth is we have an bunch of selfish parents who do not want to deal with their children making children and DO NOT WANT TO HELP PEOPLE BE NORMAL. Just keep people dumb. Non-hets ( non-heterosexuals/LGTB ) are one example of people who are limited becuase now they live a life where everything is fun and games. Like if I stayed five my entire life and just clap my hands and watch TV all day long. FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE IN THEIR LIVES>

One man can marry more then one woman because people have their rights to. That is an normal thing in this world so please lets not make the problem bigger then it is.

EQUALITY BETWEEN THE SEXES are not meant for real women at all. In feminism it is called the OTHERS. The others are women who not dedicated to being wives but women who are basically men in an nutshell. Women who scream and yell over being women. Women who might look nice but can never exist with men at all. Are most Jewish women spending time being feminists? No. Are most East Asian women Feminist? No? bottom-line Femism is just another trap for women BECAUSE NOBODY TAUGHT THEM HOW TO BE WOMEN. However for real feminists who got the shaft in life ( like an messed up selfish husband who FUBARED the marriage ).

To make things worst non-hets and womanists who are non-heterosexuals also mixes in. The real feminist are practically invisible and barely have any say at all ). I am not talking about these money grubbing radicals or the women who made an random mistakes ( I say random because random is random ).

So we get into more problems as well. Bottom-line whining about people preserving their normality is stupid. Their is no problems with the South at all so people should just stop pouncing on them for garbage.

People just need to move on and grow up.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Then why even put a law up for a vote if it is unconstitutional in the first place?
Because that's how it works? Law is passed, constitutionality is challenged, court decides.

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I'm just saying that I can vote yea or nay on any law put up for a vote. It's my choice as a voter/citizen no matter who disagrees with the way I voted or if their "opinion" is that the way I voted violates someone's rights.
Of course. Segregation was massively popular, too.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by RegalSin View Post
1. Age of consent has nothing to do with love, sex, marriage or anything. That is an matter of privacy. That is because some religious groups believe that sex is above the age of 30++

2. A minor just means they can not participate. Age of consent varies from nation to nation. Seriously I do not care anymore because a bunch of people are brainwashed out of the smallest flirting even into their 40 ( we are living an self-hating nation ).

3. The human brain stops BS is an lie. Psychologist can say bullishness but their is no science of love, sex, or flirting. So people just stop and grow. People were getting married at the age of 12 only fourty so odd years ago. Then people were not being responsible.

4. Look the truth is we have an bunch of selfish parents who do not want to deal with their children making children and DO NOT WANT TO HELP PEOPLE BE NORMAL. Just keep people dumb. Non-hets ( non-heterosexuals/LGTB ) are one example of people who are limited becuase now they live a life where everything is fun and games. Like if I stayed five my entire life and just clap my hands and watch TV all day long. FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE IN THEIR LIVES>

One man can marry more then one woman because people have their rights to. That is an normal thing in this world so please lets not make the problem bigger then it is.

EQUALITY BETWEEN THE SEXES are not meant for real women at all. In feminism it is called the OTHERS. The others are women who not dedicated to being wives but women who are basically men in an nutshell. Women who scream and yell over being women. Women who might look nice but can never exist with men at all. Are most Jewish women spending time being feminists? No. Are most East Asian women Feminist? No? bottom-line Femism is just another trap for women BECAUSE NOBODY TAUGHT THEM HOW TO BE WOMEN. However for real feminists who got the shaft in life ( like an messed up selfish husband who FUBARED the marriage ).

To make things worst non-hets and womanists who are non-heterosexuals also mixes in. The real feminist are practically invisible and barely have any say at all ). I am not talking about these money grubbing radicals or the women who made an random mistakes ( I say random because random is random ).

So we get into more problems as well. Bottom-line whining about people preserving their normality is stupid. Their is no problems with the South at all so people should just stop pouncing on them for garbage.

People just need to move on and grow up.
WTF did I just read? (Incidentally, I could introduce you to some Jewish women who'd verbally take you apart if you tried to argue that anti-feminist claptrap in their company.)
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by RegalSin View Post
1. Age of consent has nothing to do with love, sex, marriage or anything. That is an matter of privacy. That is because some religious groups believe that sex is above the age of 30++

2. A minor just means they can not participate. Age of consent varies from nation to nation. Seriously I do not care anymore because a bunch of people are brainwashed out of the smallest flirting even into their 40 ( we are living an self-hating nation ).

3. The human brain stops BS is an lie. Psychologist can say bullishness but their is no science of love, sex, or flirting. So people just stop and grow. People were getting married at the age of 12 only fourty so odd years ago. Then people were not being responsible.

4. Look the truth is we have an bunch of selfish parents who do not want to deal with their children making children and DO NOT WANT TO HELP PEOPLE BE NORMAL. Just keep people dumb. Non-hets ( non-heterosexuals/LGTB ) are one example of people who are limited becuase now they live a life where everything is fun and games. Like if I stayed five my entire life and just clap my hands and watch TV all day long. FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE IN THEIR LIVES>

One man can marry more then one woman because people have their rights to. That is an normal thing in this world so please lets not make the problem bigger then it is.

EQUALITY BETWEEN THE SEXES are not meant for real women at all. In feminism it is called the OTHERS. The others are women who not dedicated to being wives but women who are basically men in an nutshell. Women who scream and yell over being women. Women who might look nice but can never exist with men at all. Are most Jewish women spending time being feminists? No. Are most East Asian women Feminist? No? bottom-line Femism is just another trap for women BECAUSE NOBODY TAUGHT THEM HOW TO BE WOMEN. However for real feminists who got the shaft in life ( like an messed up selfish husband who FUBARED the marriage ).

To make things worst non-hets and womanists who are non-heterosexuals also mixes in. The real feminist are practically invisible and barely have any say at all ). I am not talking about these money grubbing radicals or the women who made an random mistakes ( I say random because random is random ).

So we get into more problems as well. Bottom-line whining about people preserving their normality is stupid. Their is no problems with the South at all so people should just stop pouncing on them for garbage.

People just need to move on and grow up.
WTF? A woman is not a "real woman" unless she is dedicated to being a good little wife?

Seriously?
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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WTF did I just read?
Thank you. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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That's one of my fears. When does it end all under the claim of civil rights?
Again, the age of consent has gone UP since this countries founding. The AOC was 10-12 in most of the colonies.
Guess it was ok to change THAT "tradition".
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