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Old 02-21-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Bigotry is exactly what I callled it.

Someone who wants to take away Doctors right to refuse the this patient into her practice

While keeping their own right to refuse the Doctor as babies physician if so desired

This is the mindset of a bigot, aside from the public lynching of this medical professional


Sorry but whatever world you live on which allows this kind of unfairness over basic rights is not part of mine.

This is the U.S, not a third world country.
I'm not talking about rights, I'm talking about professional ethics. So you would have no problem with the professional ethics of a doctor who refused to see a baby just because it's parents were an interracial couple?

 
Old 02-21-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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More of the same untruths you spread. Even after posting truth.

You know we can all read here right?

No treatment was necessary,it was a WELL BABY CHECK UP. Baby is ONLY 6 days old

Never been seen


You need to examine your own value system that after being corrected you keep slandering

about this medical professional.




It is wrong to support bigotry

If it was this Couple who refused to accept the Doctor you have no grounds for bad mouthing them either

This isn't a ONE SIDED discussion which only allows you to repeat the same untruths about a medical professional. Please play fair
You say it's 'wrong to support bigotry', yet that is exactly what you are doing. You are even "going the extra mile" by twisting this story around to blame the parents for the doctor's bigotry. You've gone even further to say that you think the parents should thank the doctor for her bigotry and unethical unprofessional insulting behaviour towards them.

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Old 02-21-2015, 07:49 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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You say it's 'wrong to support bigotry', yet that is exactly what you are doing. You are "going the extra mile" to support it.
You call it bigotry, from your point of view. It may be nothing more than prudence.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 07:52 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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You call it bigotry, from your point of view. It may be nothing more than prudence.
How is it prudence to refuse to see a child because its parents are lesbians? It is outright bigotry is what it is.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 07:52 PM
 
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You call it bigotry, from your point of view. It may be nothing more than prudence.
Explain to me how it's prudent to violate your profession's code of ethics and refuse to provide medical care to a newborn because her parents are lesbians?
 
Old 02-21-2015, 07:58 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Then, why does a Christian business have to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Why can't it "pick and choose"?

I think I know why the doctor may have chosen as she did, but that would be off topic and open the proverbial can of worms.

Doctors do have a lot of money that could be tapped in the case of a lawsuit...just sayin'.
The bakery was not a christian bakery, the baker was christian, big difference when you twist words.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Doctors provide a service in exchange for money. Thus, they should be free to accept or refuse business based on whatever criteria they wish. I think it's dumb to turn down paying customers based on an externality that has no bearing on the service being performed, but I am a libertarian, and I believe in voluntary association...INCLUDING BUSINESS. The free market excels at punishing bad actors in the private business sphere, and everyone elft to their own devices would likely result in these two women giving that doctor all manner of well-deserved negative publicity, thus harming her future revenue based on her own voluntary choice. And for every one doctor out there unwilling to "form the relationship" with these women, probably a dozen are not only willing, but overjoyed at stealing some easy market share.
I don't agree with this position.

If I did, then I would say it is alright to refuse to serve blacks in your restaurant, or rent a room to a Jewish couple in your hotel even if it's the only hotel in town, or a hospital refusing to admit a Buddhist Asian-American at their Emergency Room.

The argument about "the free market" is something I don't buy ... from all historical evidence. Yes there are communities in our nation that wouldn't flinch if one minority group or another was oppressed, persecuted, and denied services.

The legal fact is, if you are providing a PUBLIC accommodation ... you can NOT legally discriminate for no other reason than it's your prejudice. If you have a valid reason - such as the client was abusive or disruptive - that's another story.

I am a landlord, I know. If I refused to rent to a gay or lesbian person in my city, I would be sued so quickly, lose my business license, and possibly thrown in jail. Do you know that?
 
Old 02-21-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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Explain to me how it's prudent to violate your profession's code of ethics and refuse to provide medical care to a newborn because her parents are lesbians?
A reply to post 108 would be appreciated.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 08:14 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I wonder what The American Academy Of Pediatrics will have to say about this. They have passed resolutions in favor of LGBT rights and went on record supporting marriage equality.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 08:17 PM
 
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This is like the "astroturf" thread. What's the point at this point? Everyone agree's (at the very least nearly everyone) that the doctor isn't very admirable. O.K.? Now what?

You want it a law that she must care for their baby? Is that really what is best for the baby? Isn't that what we should want? You want her punished? So she shuts her mouth and accepts them as clients? Is that what is best for the baby?

Feel free to correct me but isn't that what we all should want? Is this about you or the kid? So you feel slighted. IMO the answer is what is best for the kid. Life isn't always right or fair.
If interracial parents with a baby had found out that there was a doctor who had refused to see the baby of another interracial couple and had behaved in an insulting rude unprofessional way towards them just because they were interracial parents, it's not likely that they would want to see that doctor and trust her with the health of their baby.

Same thing here. Now lesbian parents know not to go see Dr Roi in the first place. They can choose an ethical less bigoted doctor to look after the health of their baby without having to be subjected to insulting unprofessional behavior.

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