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Old 02-28-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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OIA.. officer initiated actions are down to 7000 last month in Ferguson.. down from 21000 the month before Brown.. when the gentle giant was out for s stroll

Perhaps the community will get what it wants.. less policing...

Wont that be a special place to live....
Those numbers are for the St Louis Metropolitan Police, not Ferguson. (Ferguson is 42 officers, or was. SLMPD is 1400 officers.)

That means that whereas before officers were self-initiating about 15 times per month, roughly once per shift (assuming 10 hr shifts), now they are self-initiating about 5 times per month, or about once a week.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:08 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Do Police pull each over for talking on their cell or not wearing their seat belt??
Have any other arguments?
Yes. Happens far more than you think. When I was assisting in investigations, I would get 10-20 of those a month just for those two violations (for a dept of 800).
Unlike the average person, where you just get a no-points tickets, officers get to the stop forwarded to their supervisors and go through a disciplinary process at their job.
Which.... the department is barred from telling the public about.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I don't see any attempt to get the other side of the story. The cops enforce the law. If the forfeiture law is dumb, the anger should be directed at Michigan lawmakers.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yes. Happens far more than you think. When I was assisting in investigations, I would get 10-20 of those a month just for those two violations (for a dept of 800).
Unlike the average person, where you just get a no-points tickets, officers get to the stop forwarded to their supervisors and go through a disciplinary process at their job.
Which.... the department is barred from telling the public about.
If it happened the way you said it would they wouldn't still be doing it.



I see them all the time. One hit my sister and there was no repurcussions.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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They don't raid for alcohol.
You mean alcohol raids do not make national news.
Try even just glancing through the minutes for your local alcohol regulation board and you will find hundreds to thousands of enforcement actions a year.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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Stop the Drug War (most illegal war in US history) and Policing for profit and instantly you have solve the Police problem.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: USA
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You mean alcohol raids do not make national news.
Try even just glancing through the minutes for your local alcohol regulation board and you will find hundreds to thousands of enforcement actions a year.
On bars I would assume or illegal distillers. But not people drinking in their own home.



There's no excuse for what happened above. ZERO.



The officers should be ashamed and stripped of everything they own. And I'm dead serious about that.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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If it happened the way you said it would they wouldn't still be doing it.



I see them all the time. One hit my sister and there was no repurcussions.
Police deaths by police automobile accidents involving cell phones have declined every year since 2004.
National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Preliminary 2015 Fatality Statistics
This is a pretty good sign they are learning not to talk on cell phones (though obviously data for all crashes, not just fatal, would be better).
Meanwhile, for the general population, cell phone related accidents continue to increase every single year Cell Phone Crash Data
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:18 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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On bars I would assume or illegal distillers. But not people drinking in their own home.

There's no excuse for what happened above. ZERO.

The officers should be ashamed and stripped of everything they own. And I'm dead serious about that.
He wasn't a person smoking in his own home either.
He was a licensed distributor and manufacturer.
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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He wasn't a person smoking in his own home either.
He was a licensed distributor and manufacturer.
Do you believe what happened was justified? Yes or No?




How many homes are raided for alcohol each year?
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