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Do you believe what happened was justified? Yes or No?
How many homes are raided for alcohol each year?
Justified? Of course not. But justification is the job of lawmakers, not police, especially when a civil federal warrant has been issued.
For the second time, his "home" was also a licensed manufacturing and distribution facility.
But I suspect in any major metro you will find dozens to hundreds of homes raided every year for illegal sale or distribution of alcohol (not so much manufacturing, because home distilling other than beer and wine is pretty dangerous, especially compared to home growing commercial marijuana).
Justified? Of course not. But justification is the job of lawmakers, not police, especially when a civil federal warrant has been issued.
I simply wanted to know your opinion.
So Police routinely "justify" whether or not they enforce a crime. Yes or No?
For the second time, his "home" was also a licensed manufacturing and distribution facility.
I wanted to know if you felt the actions were justified.
But I suspect in any major metro you will find dozens to hundreds of homes raided every year for illegal sale or distribution of alcohol (not so much manufacturing, because home distilling other than beer and wine is pretty dangerous, especially compared to home growing commercial marijuana).
I've never heard of a single one. And I'm currently in bootlegger country.
I've never heard of a single one. And I'm currently in bootlegger country.
Again, news doesn't cover it. When I lived in Iowa City, there were normally 2-3 such raids on homes for illegal alcohol sales every weekend during football season. This is pretty common in every college town or neighborhood. You could count on a dozen bars each year being shut down for alcohol violations, normally with fines, seizures, and lost revenue far greater than any of the three people in the original article suffered. And that was <100k population Iowa City.
notice how I said police. keep the Sheriff and their deputies at full strength, as the people can vote in a new Sheriff if needed.
I live in Maricopa County with Sheriff Joe and his deputies as well as volunteers, the posse. I wish we wouldn't be stupid enough to elect that idiot if he was to be up for office again.
if most of the police disappeared in my area, I doubt i would even notice, as the cops in the winter are at least an hour away.
Perhaps you would, perhaps you wouldn't. I don't know why you wouldn't have a satelite station like my area does with both fire and police. I'm also kind of out in the sticks but we have a small police and fire station as we are 20 minutes away from the City of Buckeye proper (for those of you who don't know, that is by I-10, we are 20 minutes Northeast of that.)
Stop the Drug War (most illegal war in US history) and Policing for profit and instantly you have solve the Police problem.
In a nutshell..Hell yes! Police powers of search and seizure were already expanded for the "war on drugs". Now, under the Patriot Act, it has gone , leaps and bounds, further. Car more people have been arrested, imprisoned a d bad everything they have seized, because of drug violations, many quite minor, under powers granted by the Patriot Act, than terror suspects, foreign or domestic.
If a cop wants to drag you out of your car, and rip it apart, all be has to do is say " I THINK I detect an odor of alcohol/marijuana". SWAT can get a no knock, and kick in your doors, because of "suspicious odors" . The point being, SUSPICION, alone.is now enough for LE to rip your car , home. life, to shreds. OK, yea, its the LAW that's the problem, but, it does seem as of LE takes an inordinate amount of pleasure in enforcing such "law". It do seem as if more cops than not enjoy these new extensions of their authority.
It also amazes me how many people seem to be just fine with that, as well. " If you have nothing to hide, why should it be a problem if they want to toss you"? Well, I DONT have anything illegal to hide, but that doesn't mean I'm OK with a bunch of cops tearing through our house, dumping out the contents of my lady and my..personal..life on the floor, so they can have a yuck in the locker room later. The bloody HELL if I'm OK with cops wanting to search anything of mine. Just to satisfy their curiosity or because someone has a suspicion.
Its not about whether I'm hiding anything illegal. There are certain things people want kept PRIVATE, and I am NOT good with allowing LE to parade our personal lives out, embarrassing us and feedinglocker room humor because of a "suspicious odor" or some other trumped up drivel. Our privacy, and rights to that privacy, trumps suspicion of wrongdoing. If a cop asks me if its OK to search my car/home, the answer will always be HELL NO!
In a nutshell..Hell yes! Police powers of search and seizure were already expanded for the "war on drugs". Now, under the Patriot Act, it has gone , leaps and bounds, further. Car more people have been arrested, imprisoned a d bad everything they have seized, because of drug violations, many quite minor, under powers granted by the Patriot Act, than terror suspects, foreign or domestic.
If a cop wants to drag you out of your car, and rip it apart, all be has to do is say " I THINK I detect an odor of alcohol/marijuana". SWAT can get a no knock, and kick in your doors, because of "suspicious odors" . The point being, SUSPICION, alone.is now enough for LE to rip your car , home. life, to shreds. OK, yea, its the LAW that's the problem, but, it does seem as of LE takes an inordinate amount of pleasure in enforcing such "law". It do seem as if more cops than not enjoy these new extensions of their authority.
It also amazes me how many people seem to be just fine with that, as well. " If you have nothing to hide, why should it be a problem if they want to toss you"? Well, I DONT have anything illegal to hide, but that doesn't mean I'm OK with a bunch of cops tearing through our house, dumping out the contents of my lady and my..personal..life on the floor, so they can have a yuck in the locker room later. The bloody HELL if I'm OK with cops wanting to search anything of mine. Just to satisfy their curiosity or because someone has a suspicion.
Its not about whether I'm hiding anything illegal. There are certain things people want kept PRIVATE, and I am NOT good with allowing LE to parade our personal lives out, embarrassing us and feedinglocker room humor because of a "suspicious odor" or some other trumped up drivel. Our privacy, and rights to that privacy, trumps suspicion of wrongdoing. If a cop asks me if its OK to search my car/home, the answer will always be HELL NO!
100% agreed. Basic civil liberties should never be taken for granted.
100% agreed. Basic civil liberties should never be taken for granted.
Then how do we deal with protecting ourselves from terrorist activities? I may be agitated with what I need to do with going through TSA at an airport but I understand the purpose. I saw the smoke from the twin towers some 40/50 miles east of Manhattan in suburban Long Island, NY on 9/11/01 and we all saw the carnage from the 2013 Boston Marathon attack as well as the wreckage from 1995 OKC bombing. How do we protect everyone while we also protect individual civil liberties. I'd argue there is no balance where we can serve both equally without hurting either the collective or the individuals.
Then how do we deal with protecting ourselves from terrorist activities? I may be agitated with what I need to do with going through TSA at an airport but I understand the purpose. I saw the smoke from the twin towers some 40/50 miles east of Manhattan in suburban Long Island, NY on 9/11/01 and we all saw the carnage from the 2013 Boston Marathon attack as well as the wreckage from 1995 OKC bombing. How do we protect everyone while we also protect individual civil liberties. I'd argue there is no balance where we can serve both equally without hurting either the collective or the individuals.
Then I would tend to err on the side of civil liberties.
Then I would tend to err on the side of civil liberties.
And what happens if we allow 9/11 or the shoe bomber to happen again? What if you or your family are harmed if your civil liberties are protected while we allow terrorists to get onto airplanes with explosives or the ability to take a plane hostage?
Roadking.... avowed police hater posts ...I hate cops ,,,
nothing new here
I hate dirtbags too.... but like POLICE.. they are hear to stay...
Notmeofficer ..........avowed supporter of police who abuse their power.
Nothing new here.
Why do you support LE abuse of power?
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Well, I DONT have anything illegal to hide, but that doesn't mean I'm OK with a bunch of cops tearing through our house, dumping out the contents of my lady and my..personal..life on the floor, so they can have a yuck in the locker room later. The bloody HELL if I'm OK with cops wanting to search anything of mine. Just to satisfy their curiosity or because someone has a suspicion. 
