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So what? You post more complaints about Seattle on POC than any other poster posts about any other city. Clearly you are unhappy, so why don't you move to a metro more to your liking? Seattle is doing just fine.
Ah yes, love it or leave it. Quite possibly the lamest debating tactic, and poorest substitute for an argument in history.
Don't like slavery in 1850 Mississippi, move to Boston. Don't like the censorship in Boston, move to San Fran. Don't like the discrimination against Chinese, move yet again.
You can spend the rest of your life moving from one place to another if you wish; my preference is to settle disputes via facts and logic.
Ah yes, love it or leave it. Quite possibly the lamest debating tactic, and poorest substitute for an argument in history.
Don't like slavery in 1850 Mississippi, move to Boston. Don't like the censorship in Boston, move to San Fran. Don't like the discrimination against Chinese, move yet again.
You can spend the rest of your life moving from one place to another if you wish; my preference is to settle disputes via facts and logic.
The problem is when it comes to sports, sports fans will always trump anything you are hoping to do. People would have been up in arms in Washington if the Seahawks tried to move.
The problem is when it comes to sports, sports fans will always trump anything you are hoping to do. People would have been up in arms in Washington if the Seahawks tried to move.
Well CenturyLink was built because Paul Allen threatened to move.
Safeco was built because Nintendo threatened to move.
The Sonics did move because of lack of traction on the Key Arena.
If city/county/state governments were not prepared act under threat, then stadiums would not be using taxpayer funded stadiums (rightly or wrongly). It also removes the threat risk, because if a team builds a stadium in a location, then they can't just relocate without building another stadium. Right now many sports teams are just tenants with no real ties to a city and can easily move, which is a bad thing for people funding the construction of these multi million and billion dollar stadiums.
I think that's the issue I have with taxpayer funding of specific grounds built for professional sports, it gives a stick to those professional sports teams to beat the local government with to keep that team in those grounds.
Well CenturyLink was built because Paul Allen threatened to move.
Safeco was built because Nintendo threatened to move.
The Sonics did move because of lack of traction on the Key Arena.
If city/county/state governments were not prepared act under threat, then stadiums would not be using taxpayer funded stadiums (rightly or wrongly). It also removes the threat risk, because if a team builds a stadium in a location, then they can't just relocate without building another stadium. Right now many sports teams are just tenants with no real ties to a city and can easily move, which is a bad thing for people funding the construction of these multi million and billion dollar stadiums.
I think that's the issue I have with taxpayer funding of specific grounds built for professional sports, it gives a stick to those professional sports teams to beat the local government with to keep that team in those grounds.
I completely agree, unfortunately sports fans often disagree when it comes to the teams they support. Teams should be owning and building their own stadiums, but we all know it doesn't work that way for various reason.
We'll never know, Frank, but I suspect if built privately, they would be dumps. No more stylish than bingo halls. I would not want that in a downtown I want to attract major corps in.
Stadiums don't attract corporations (unless they are vendors related to sports).
Gungnir, 22.5 mill was just MLB. Add the NFL, add concerts, add nearby restaurant and bar taxes, add hotel taxes, etc. Add NCAA games, tournaments, etc. And good luck attracting major corps w/o nearby entertainment options for customers.
Nashville ended up relocating > 2 dozen F1000 hqs and/or regional hqs, post Predators, Post Titans coming to town. Do those additional taxes count?
It costs more than $1billion to build these stadiums. No stadium today is home to both MLB and NFL. An NFL stadium gets 8 home games per year, plus a playoff game or two (maybe). If it is used for other football teams - they don't sell out (like high school playoffs with much cheaper tickets).
Your math doesn't come remotely close to paying for or justifying a stadium paid for by taxpayers. They borrow money to build them - usually via bonds. Those are typically repaid with property taxes. Those taxpayers get nothing - maybe 30,000 locals will actually attend a game in these stadiums.
Allen had agreed to buy the Seahawks from disgruntled owner Ken Behring, but the deal hinged on a make-or-break piece: Allen wouldn’t buy the team unless the public voted in favor of a new stadium later that month.
Behring had already moved the team to California, Allen if he did not get the vote for a new stadium would not buy the Seahawks, thus they would have been in California.
How is that not a threat? It's a polite threat, but it's basically stating that without public funding he would permit the situation, as it was, to continue.
Behring had already moved the team to California, Allen if he did not get the vote for a new stadium would not buy the Seahawks, thus they would have been in California.
How is that not a threat? It's a polite threat, but it's basically stating that without public funding he would permit the situation, as it was, to continue.
Spot on, and I doubt that you will get an answer back. I knew a bunch of Seahawks players at the time through my job, and they all longed to go to SoCal's sun, babes, and beaches. They were p***ed when the NFL ordered the team back to Seattle..
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