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They need to learn to take out their own criminals. I sure as hell wouldn't want the law enforcement agencies of some other nation traipsing around this country.
Columbia possibly asked for some U.S. help a few years back and we may have helped them. But maybe we didn't...
Columbia possibly asked for some U.S. help a few years back and we may have helped them. But maybe we didn't...
We did help. Unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by greywar
And the addiction of the drug caused this.
But the bottom line still becomes-he has broken our laws. You can disagree with the law, but its the gosh darned law.
If you break it you know the possible consequences.
Hey, pot is legal in Oregon, and colorado!
Uhmm....no its not. Its legal on the local and state level, NOT the federal. Go ahead and use it, you know the risks. (virtually 0).
This guy broke our laws, he knew the risks.
You folks can try and moan about how he didnt break any laws, or force anyone to do anything. The reality is-he broke laws. He distributed a incredibly addictive drug. If he'd stuck with something like pot or ecstacy I'd probably go along with you folks. But Meth is vastly different, and causes damage to our society beyond the users that take it. Its illegal for a VERY good reason.
If the law is the law then saying that you'd have no problem with it if it were just the weaker drugs, destroys your argument. The law is the law...remember?
I know that we can find a law to indict him under, but that's not the point I'm making. As they say, you can indict a ham sandwich.
The point I'm making is what damn good is it to bring Mexican drugs kingpins here and lock them up on the American dime? For what? What good does it do?
If we're gonna extradite someone else's problem to this country, then there should be some sort of benefit to the American people that's tangible. You can't name one single tangible benefit of bringing him here to be imprisoned.
You can't say that violence in Mexico will be mitigated because it won't be. You can't say that violence HERE will be mitigated because it won't be. You can't say that less dope will hit the streets because you know that's a lie. You can't say that there will be a lesser demand for dope because there won't be.
All you can say is that the United States will spend tens of thousands to lock up a Mexican national that did nothing more than ship a product to people that people wanted and would've gotten from someone else if not him. If he was an American, that'd be somewhat different, but he isn't. He's never touched a hair on an American head.
Being mad at him just because Americans have an insatiable appetite for dope is silly and vindictive. Place blame where it should be placed...on the users.
But the bottom line still becomes-he has broken our laws. You can disagree with the law, but its the gosh darned law.
If you break it you know the possible consequences.
Your body your choice. As long as no ones rights have been violated government should have no say so as to what an adult can put into their body.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Hey, pot is legal in Oregon, and colorado!
Uhmm....no its not. Its legal on the local and state level, NOT the federal. Go ahead and use it, you know the risks. (virtually 0).
This guy broke our laws, he knew the risks.
You folks can try and moan about how he didnt break any laws, or force anyone to do anything. The reality is-he broke laws. He distributed a incredibly addictive drug. If he'd stuck with something like pot or ecstacy I'd probably go along with you folks. But Meth is vastly different, and causes damage to our society beyond the users that take it. Its illegal for a VERY good reason.
Illegal like alcohol was?
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Wow. Way to avoid the topic. He is guilty of breaking our laws.
He has provided meth to people who did not intend to die
They have died.
Pretty sure they were unwilling to die.
So when someone dies on prescription drugs, which happens more than those killed in automobile accidents, that is somehow different?All because someone said those drugs are legalthen it's okay?
Drug abuse is a disease and should be treated a such.
If the law is the law then saying that you'd have no problem with it if it were just the weaker drugs, destroys your argument. The law is the law...remember?
I know that we can find a law to indict him under, but that's not the point I'm making. As they say, you can indict a ham sandwich.
The point I'm making is what damn good is it to bring Mexican drugs kingpins here and lock them up on the American dime? For what? What good does it do?
If we're gonna extradite someone else's problem to this country, then there should be some sort of benefit to the American people that's tangible. You can't name one single tangible benefit of bringing him here to be imprisoned.
You can't say that violence in Mexico will be mitigated because it won't be. You can't say that violence HERE will be mitigated because it won't be. You can't say that less dope will hit the streets because you know that's a lie. You can't say that there will be a lesser demand for dope because there won't be.
All you can say is that the United States will spend tens of thousands to lock up a Mexican national that did nothing more than ship a product to people that people wanted and would've gotten from someone else if not him. If he was an American, that'd be somewhat different, but he isn't. He's never touched a hair on an American head.
Being mad at him just because Americans have an insatiable appetite for dope is silly and vindictive. Place blame where it should be placed...on the users.
Agreed
It's a feel good philosophy. "See we did something" mentality.
I PERSONALLY wouldnt have had any issue with his actions if he hadnt gotten to selling Meth. He'd STILL be breaking the law, and as such should be imprisoned. Thats the risks he takes.
Now...can you folks understand the difference between my personal viewpoints, and the actual law?
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Your body your choice. As long as no ones rights have been violated government should have no say so as to what an adult can put into their body.
And if meth only affected that individual person your statement might have some sense to it. Meth however has a massive impact on our society. Your feel good libertarian view ignores reality. Way to "love your country"
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Illegal like alcohol was?
Geuss what? Those people went to jail too. Shocker huh?
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[/i]So when someone dies on prescription drugs, which happens more than those killed in automobile accidents, that is somehow different?All because someone said those drugs are legalthen it's okay?
Drug abuse is a disease and should be treated a such.
Meth has no medical purpose, but nice try conflating the two with your nonsense.
We caught him in the United States and sent him to Mexico to imprison. Obviously, he committed crime here. Apparently, they are unable to hold him because he has too much power over there. I would be fine keeping him locked up here. It's like when Jose Medellin took part in a brutal rape and murder of two teen girls in Houston, there was no way in hell Texas was going to let him go back to Mexico for punishment. He and his gang were executed for their crimes, which were horrendous. Had we sent him back to Mexico, he would have been out of jail years ago, free to rape and kill over there or make his way back here. We can't trust the Mexican Federales to hold these people.
Sure. We will slap him in a federal supermax prison where he can't escape and hold him in isolation for the rest of his natural life. Within a year or two, he will be so crazy he won't even remember his name for sure.
Mexico's federates are not all corrupt, but the drug kingpins are as popular as movie stars down there. While no prison is completely secure, our supermax prisons are as close as it gets, and the drug lords don't have a huge support network up here.
Once out of leadership, none of them have very long before someone else takes their place. Chapo got out before one of his underlings could replace him, but if he is re-captured and shipped here, he won't be able to do it again.
Sure. We will slap him in a federal supermax prison where he can't escape and hold him in isolation for the rest of his natural life. Within a year or two, he will be so crazy he won't even remember his name for sure.
Mexico's federates are not all corrupt, but the drug kingpins are as popular as movie stars down there. While no prison is completely secure, our supermax prisons are as close as it gets, and the drug lords don't have a huge support network up here.
Once out of leadership, none of them have very long before someone else takes their place. Chapo got out before one of his underlings could replace him, but if he is re-captured and shipped here, he won't be able to do it again.
Word is it ain't how "severe" the punishment is; it's how "likely" a perp will get caught. If a Guzman has 1 in a 100 chance of being caught; he'd probably run the odds and make out like a fat rat. If our perp has a 1 in 5 chance of being caught; he may decide today's not a good day to die and will behave himself, especially if he sees his friends get nailed.
Word is it ain't how "severe" the punishment is; it's how "likely" a perp will get caught. If a Guzman has 1 in a 100 chance of being caught; he'd probably run the odds and make out like a fat rat. If our perp has a 1 in 5 chance of being caught; he may decide today's not a good day to die and will behave himself, especially if he sees his friends get nailed.
Very true. If Chapo is on the run, you can bet he's running south, not north, and won't stop until he's over the Mexican border. After escaping a second time, the federates are going to be prone to shooting him on sight. He would be a lot more secure in Guatemala than he will ever be in Mexico now.
Very true. If Chapo is on the run, you can bet he's running south, not north, and won't stop until he's over the Mexican border. After escaping a second time, the federates are going to be prone to shooting him on sight. He would be a lot more secure in Guatemala than he will ever be in Mexico now.
You're probably right. Word is the Federales DON'T play well with Guzman's kind.
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