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I don't know what to say other than this is bound to start controversy. I'm not sure if this would run good with the immigration voter block.
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Bernie Sanders
Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal. Ezra Klein
Really? Bernie Sanders
Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ... Ezra Klein
But it would make ... Bernie Sanders
Excuse me ... Ezra Klein
It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it? Bernie Sanders
It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?
I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer.
I think if you read between the lines in previous immigration discussions, Bernie is not pro-illegal immigration, but for political reasons he can't say that.
You can't have European style social democracy with an unmitigated flow of poor uneducated immigrants. I hold the same position. My government's responsibility is to it's citizens first, not to poor Mexicans. We can help poor Mexicans by encouraging their government to move away from Neolithic corruption and ogligarchy, as opposed to being a "blow off valve" for their destitute to escape to by crossing the border.
I agree with him partly. There are those on the "right," like the US Chamber of Commerce and the big business wing of the party, who want as cheap of labor as they can get. The average Republican on the street is far more law and order and for controlled immigration.
Unfortunately, the conditions in the countries these folks are coming from are not our fault, nor can we correct the issues by pouring money at them or with overzealous national building.
Yes, this is what the Koch brothers and their allies in Congress want and it must be resisted at all costs. Corporations have no loyalty to America and the American worker whatsoever, they force American workers to compete against slave labor in Asia, driving down wages and benefits of Americans and they use H1-B visas as a weapon against American workers, importing labor while laying off Americans in a race to the bottom and Congress is silent about it except for a tiny few voices who do not take bribe money from Wall Street. Bernie Sanders sums it up well here in 2007 IMO:
I think if you read between the lines in previous immigration discussions, Bernie is not pro-illegal immigration, but for political reasons he can't say that.
You can't have European style social democracy with an unmitigated flow of poor uneducated immigrants. I hold the same position. My government's responsibility is to it's citizens first, not to poor Mexicans. We can help poor Mexicans by encouraging their government to move away from Neolithic corruption and ogligarchy, as opposed to being a "blow off valve" for their destitute to escape to by crossing the border.
He's a 20th century progressive who's only interested in protectionism and environmentalism with a strong welfare state. Even today, you have anti immigration progressives in Europe.
Democrats who see the Hispanic vote as their future base and chamber of commerce Republicans like open borders. The common theme between the two are elitists who would sell out our poor and middle class for money and power.
Yes, this is what the Koch brothers and their allies in Congress want and it must be resisted at all costs. Corporations have no loyalty to America and the American worker whatsoever, they force American workers to compete against slave labor in Asia, driving down wages and benefits of Americans and they use H1-B visas as a weapon against American workers, importing labor while laying off Americans in a race to the bottom and Congress is silent about it except for a tiny few voices who do not take bribe money from Wall Street. Bernie Sanders sums it up well here in 2007 IMO
Are you going to choose to ignore the liberal side that also wants open borders for their enrichment?
Yes, this is what the Koch brothers and their allies in Congress want and it must be resisted at all costs. Corporations have no loyalty to America and the American worker whatsoever, they force American workers to compete against slave labor in Asia, driving down wages and benefits of Americans and they use H1-B visas as a weapon against American workers, importing labor while laying off Americans in a race to the bottom and Congress is silent about it except for a tiny few voices who do not take bribe money from Wall Street. Bernie Sanders sums it up well here in 2007 IMO:
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