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You don't think and you don't know...and neither do I because it wasn't until 1994 that the federal government was required to collect data on police shootings, however there never was and still isn't any requirement that agencies submit the data.
I wasn't referring to stats on generic police shootings per se, but rather to stats/records of DOJ/FBI investigations into incidents of alleged use of excessive force by police. That data has been compiled by the DOJ Civil Rights Division for many years, well before 1994. Do you not believe that the FBI keeps records of its investigations?
As to state agency data, when the fed govt investigates an entire police dept., as it did recently in Missouri, all relevant data is subpoenaed.
I don't want to see the video of someone dying, but if his hands really were up, at least we have a "hands up, don't shoot" that actually happened.
Yeah, apparently, even "hands up, don't shoot" doesn't stop some cops from killing people. I am not surprised. Cops know their brother cops will protect them. Their union will protect them. Even the DA and judges will protect them if they can. What we need is an independent agency to investigate police violence toward civilizations.
In the mean time, "you are being recorded, don't shoot" might work better.
Yeah, apparently, even "hands up, don't shoot" doesn't stop some cops from killing people. I am not surprised. Cops know their brother cops will protect them. Their union will protect them. Even the DA and judges will protect them if they can. What we need is an independent agency to investigate police violence toward civilizations.
In the mean time, "you are being recorded, don't shoot" might work better.
Exactly. The investigation can never be trusted because there is a loooong history of coverups in these investigations in all of these guilty departments, when police investigate themselves they RARELY find themselves of wrongdoing. Even if it goes to trial, the prosecutors that could indict a ham sandwich hide all incriminating evidence and dont move for an indictment. Thats the whole reason this Wisconsin Dad worked to get the law changed. The department killed many people but NEVER found themselves of wrongdoing. What I Did After Police Killed My Son
How can people actually believe in this day and age that these municipalities dont cover for themselves when their asses would be on fire if they dont? Theres pure collusion and politics going on with these police brutality cases.
How can people actually believe in this day and age that these municipalities dont cover for themselves when their asses would be on fire if they dont? Theres pure collusion and politics going on with these police brutality cases.
Do some municipalities and local PDs cover up in these cases? Really? What a surprise!
Do you think there is a difference between police brutality cases and cases involving other forms of local government corruption, like bribery, drug dealing, etc? Local governments never cover those up.
The point is that we cannot prejudge whether there is going to be a coverup any more than we can prejudge whether there was a crime committed by either cops or suspect. The local police agency is entitled, and obligated, to conduct the primary investigation because it is primarily their employees and their problem. If there is a question about a coverup, there are other layers of review, at the state level, and then at the federal level. Plus, there is no shortage of private attorneys who will take on an excessive force case for the publicity alone.
Sorry folks, there is no better answer than to take these cases one at a time, investigate them thoroughly and impartially, according to established procedures, and if there's any doubt about the outcome, investigate the investigators. As I said in a previous post, tho, sooner or later you have to trust someone. The alternative is to brand everybody a thug or a Nazi from the word go and hit the streets to loot and burn. As tough as the first option is, the other is much worse.
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This problem is getting to the point where I can see the Department of Justice making it a priority to investigate these cases and prosecute police officers where it is indicated. This a long-standing, systemic, nationwide problem, and the only way it gets fixed is if some of these badge-thugs start doing serious time in federal penitentiaries. Send a message to every cop in the country, both good and bad - it's not just your supervisor you're going to have to explain this to; it's an FBI agent on a mission to send bad cops to prison.
If indeed something was in his obscured hand, wouldn't the cops immediately remove it instead of just leaving him laying on the ground (allegedly) untouched for several minutes?
Sorry folks, there is no better answer than to take these cases one at a time, investigate them thoroughly and impartially, according to established procedures, and if there's any doubt about the outcome, investigate the investigators. .
Come again? There is nothing impartial investigating yourself.
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