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Old 09-04-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Harsh northern conditions? Perhaps Canada should take refugees, and allocate them to remote, isolated, tough, northern conditions - where there is electricity and running water, of course. They could have a positive influence on the Northern economy. They might even attain the same professional position they had in Syria.

"Arbetsförmedlingen, the Swedish government's employment agency to allocate newcomers to remote and isolated villages in the north. Conditions here are tough and work hard to come by."

Many of the young Syrians who arrive here are successful professionals – architects, academics and businessmen – who held a prominent place in Syrian society and, unlike economic migrants, would not have left their country if it wasn't for the war. "They had a very good position in Syria and they want the same position here. But they will not get it,"

Cold comfort: the Syrian refugees trying to make a new life in Sweden | World news | The Guardian

 
Old 09-04-2015, 07:19 PM
 
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North America should have a look at what is being done in Sweden. There's a two year integration program with Swedish language and culture. New immigrants cannot choose where they live, but are instead assigned to remote locations for the two year programme/orientation. If they don't learn the language and culture, they end up with a menial job in that location - their former professional lives in ruins.

"If the application is successful, the asylum-seeker is granted a five-year residence and enters a two-year introduction programme managed by Arbetsförmedlingen. During this time, the asylum seeker is paid roughly €650 per month for attending a full-time Swedish language course and is encouraged to seek job training or part-time work."
 
Old 09-04-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Here is a short video showing a refugee's path from refugee camp to being settled in Sweden:

The story of a Somali refugee: 'Now that I'm in Sweden I feel free and very happy'
I wish the film was longer - how did he like the language program, is he learning a trade or going to school?
 
Old 09-04-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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North America should have a look at what is being done in Sweden. There's a two year integration program with Swedish language and culture. New immigrants cannot choose where they live, but are instead assigned to remote locations for the two year programme/orientation. If they don't learn the language and culture, they end up with a menial job in that location - their former professional lives in ruins.

"If the application is successful, the asylum-seeker is granted a five-year residence and enters a two-year introduction programme managed by Arbetsförmedlingen. During this time, the asylum seeker is paid roughly €650 per month for attending a full-time Swedish language course and is encouraged to seek job training or part-time work."
Lol, so you not only want them here, you want to pay them to be here?

There are many US citizens and legal residents busting their rear who are hardly making ends meet, and not even making the equivalent of 650 Euros, yet you want the gov to pay these people?

Why not first pay US citizens to go to college instead of having to take on debt? Or assist a cancer patient before they lose their home due to not being able to work?

Edit: Funny that over the last few years, Sweden has had to make cuts in their generous welfare system. Oh yes, citizens face cuts so these "immigrants" can get paid to come to Sweden; what idiots.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 08:24 PM
 
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Lol, so you not only want them here, you want to pay them to be here?

There are many US citizens and legal residents busting their rear who are hardly making ends meet, and not even making the equivalent of 650 Euros, yet you want the gov to pay these people?

Why not first pay US citizens to go to college instead of having to take on debt? Or assist a cancer patient before they lose their home due to not being able to work?

Edit: Funny that over the last few years, Sweden has had to make cuts in their generous welfare system. Oh yes, citizens face cuts so these "immigrants" can get paid to come to Sweden; what idiots.
That's Socialism!

Syrians/refugees allocated to live in a Northern Community, like Sweden, might have a positive influence on the North American northern people, especially if the refugees are professionals such as architects, engineers, accountants. They will want good schools for their children. They would have the potential to grow the community.

It seems common that citizens of many countries have deductions to provide for a group that either cannot, or will not, help themselves. Isolating refugees in a northern community could result in the riots we saw in Paris, where enclaves of immigrants resisted integration (burned cars and vandalized the city) ... except for the 2 year integration programme in Sweden, and the expectation that the refugees speak Swedish and get a part-time job. That could be duplicated in NA.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 08:35 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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Of course. Don't Canadians have any notion of humanity
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Canada has offered to take 10,000 Syrian refugees over a three year period. That is a drop in the ocean. Canada and Canadians have no moral high ground.
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This has nothing to do with Canada. That was false information that was distributed by someone for an unknown reason. This accident is a result of people getting into a raft in choppy water and drowning on the other side of the world.

"Citizenship and Immigration Canada says it received no refugee application from the father of two drowned Syrian boys who have put a devastating human face to the Syrian refugee crisis.

It did, however, receive an application for Abdullah Kurdi’s brother, Mohammed, but said it was incomplete and did not meet regulatory requirements for proof of refugee status recognition."

Government says it never got refugee application from family of drowned Syrian boys | Ottawa Citizen
I'm well aware that they had not made application, my point is that Canada has done no better than the U.S. in welcoming these Syrian refugees. IMO both countries could do far more at very minimal impact on existing residents.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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North America should have a look at what is being done in Sweden. There's a two year integration program with Swedish language and culture. New immigrants cannot choose where they live, but are instead assigned to remote locations for the two year programme/orientation. If they don't learn the language and culture, they end up with a menial job in that location - their former professional lives in ruins.

"If the application is successful, the asylum-seeker is granted a five-year residence and enters a two-year introduction programme managed by Arbetsförmedlingen. During this time, the asylum seeker is paid roughly €650 per month for attending a full-time Swedish language course and is encouraged to seek job training or part-time work."
This is a good idea, but there are still problems integrating these Muslims.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I just read today that New York has four thousand people sleeping on the street, 80 encampments for the homeless, and they don't know what to do about it.

We can't keep trying to save the world and ignoring the people at home.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 10:07 PM
 
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North America should have a look at what is being done in Sweden. There's a two year integration program with Swedish language and culture. New immigrants cannot choose where they live, but are instead assigned to remote locations for the two year programme/orientation. If they don't learn the language and culture, they end up with a menial job in that location - their former professional lives in ruins.

"If the application is successful, the asylum-seeker is granted a five-year residence and enters a two-year introduction programme managed by Arbetsförmedlingen. During this time, the asylum seeker is paid roughly €650 per month for attending a full-time Swedish language course and is encouraged to seek job training or part-time work."

Yes, it sounds like things are going just swell in Sweden.

Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War | The Brussels Journal

http://www.wordsandwar.com/2007/07/1...s-big-problem/

Sweden The Islam Problem

From that last link:

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The official radio report quoted from BRÅ (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention) refuses to mention the M-word in the socialist-suffocated Sweden, a country held hostage by the extreme left. But when you contact senior police and government sources they confirm (anonymous in fear of losing their jobs) that these numbers represent Muslims. And a majority of these rapes and sexual assaults are caused by Malmström’s new arrivals, the asylum seekers.
We have enough of these problems with the illegals coming in from Mexico, so no thank you.

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Old 09-04-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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Migrant crisis: Photo of drowned boy sparks outcry - BBC News

While what is happening in Syria is absolutely horrible, Syria needs to be livable for Syrians. The West cannot continue accepting refugees and immigrants from Muslim lands without strict controls and proper assimilation.
The West can't take large waves of immigrants from anywhere. Our systems are already on overload, we can only stand so much. So, what's the solution? Nobody is really up to sending troops in, everyone is tired of war. There has to be some sort of intervention though. Those folks shouldn't be run out of their countries, that's messed up. I'm thinking some sort of joint effort to pay mercenaries to hit a few strategic targets. Something short and sweet. Either that or send the immigrants back armed, which might not be as effective.
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