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Old 09-18-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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uhm

1. dont even know why we would want to negotiate with the terrorist country

2. they already have many bombs, to include subnuclear

3. this 'deal' wont prevent them from persuing bigger bombs

4. they need to recognize thier neighbors like israel

Iran, the United States and five other world powers have sealed a breakthrough framework agreement outlining limits on Iran's nuclear programme, despite attempts by Israel and Saudi Arabia to thwart the deal. Al Jazeera spoke with four analysts about why Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries, along with Israel, are upset about the agreement.

A nuclear deal with Tehran, from the Saudi perspective, means two things: Iran will have the ability to improve its economic standing, and the capability to create a nuclear weapon - since the deal will only take effect for a relatively short period of time, 15 years, and will not destroy Iran's technical capabilities to maintain a nuclear programme. Both results would strengthen Iran and its allies in the region


most of the middle-east OPPOSES this deal

saudi wants the sanctions kept
UAE Abu Dhabi wants the sanctions kept
kuwait wants the sanctions kept
oman wants the sanctions kept but modified
Bahrain wants the sanctions kept
qatar wants the sanctions kept
jordan wants the sanctions kept
israel wants the sanctions kept



and irans actions in yemen is making the entire mid east unhappy







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INCREASE sanctions...strangle the terrorist country....no need for war...liberals are always pushing for sanctions, why not this time???

Some sanctions will remain even after the nuclear agreement.

Many of those countries don't want Iran to become an economic power in the region and dictate terms, obviously Israel has other reasons.

If they already have nuclaer bombs as you indicated what is the result of continued sanctions, they are alway a better alternative to war but as far as preventing Iran from gaining access they were failing. Pushing them out 10-15 with european and western countries becoming part of their economy maybe they change.

Sanctions didn't work in Iraq or Cuba, why expect them to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear capability.
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Old 09-18-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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We have a chance. In just one more year.
You sound like a a sports fan, maybe next year.
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Old 09-18-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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what we should do with Iran....

INCREASE sanctions...strangle the terrorist country....no need for war...liberals are always pushing for sanctions, why not this time???
Because the rest of the world has said "screw that". That is what non stop constant war will get you. No respect.
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Old 09-18-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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You mean 54 votes to defund the ACA wasn't enough? How many more tries would satisfy you that they attempted to do what they said they would? Did it ever occur to you that they simply don't have the votes to pass some of the things you are demanding they pass, like defunding Obamacare or Planned Parenthood or derailing this Iran deal? The votes simply aren't there. Like it or not, that's how it works.

But Cruz's answer is always, if I don't get my way then no one gets to play. Sandbox tactics of three year-olds is all the GOP has left these days.

The GOP completely controls the budget. Don't include the funding. It's what they promised. Argue that the promises were hollow if you want but that is the argument.

Budgets can be passed without the 60 vote threshold.
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Old 09-18-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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You sound like a a sports fan, maybe next year.

The Cincinnati Reds will win the World Series in 2016
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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This is all just a lot of empty gesturing to play to the base (and McConnell and Boehner know it).
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:45 PM
 
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well we are a REPRESENTITIVE REPUBLIC and a MAJOTITY of americans want obamacare repealed
New Record: Poll Shows 58 Percent Want Obamacare Repealed - Katie Pavlich
its just fact..the congress should act in accordance to the will of the PEOPLE
And yet, when the ACA was facing demise in the SC this summer, poll after poll after poll showed that Americans wanted the law to be saved.

Most Americans want Congress to ensure Obamacare subsidies: poll | Reuters

Americans Support Administration on Obamacare - Poll - NBC News

Poll: Most Americans want Congress to ensure Obamacare subsidies « Hot Air Headlines

Opinion poll shocker: voters want politicians to save Obamacare - LA Times

So I guess by repeatedly voting to dismantle the ACA, congress is not acting in accordance with the will of the people, huh?

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Old 09-20-2015, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No, I do not constantly defend Iran. A lot of the time I remark about how unfortunate it is the country is ran by dictatorial religious fundamentalists, as I have mentioned here.

I am talking about U.S. history, and how many times the U.S. has been on the wrong side. That does not mean I hate the U.S. The U.S. was on the right side to create a secular nation, and to found itself on Enlightenment values, even if it is still a continuous process to live up to those values.

America hating? Name calling again, normally this is done when the person doing it can not make a logical rebuttal so they start name calling, as you are now.
So you express your condolences that Iran is governed by "dictatorial religious fundamentalists", but continue being a staunch supporter of every decision this dictatorial government makes?
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Old 09-20-2015, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Some sanctions will remain even after the nuclear agreement.

Many of those countries don't want Iran to become an economic power in the region and dictate terms, obviously Israel has other reasons.

If they already have nuclaer bombs as you indicated what is the result of continued sanctions, they are alway a better alternative to war but as far as preventing Iran from gaining access they were failing. Pushing them out 10-15 with european and western countries becoming part of their economy maybe they change.

Sanctions didn't work in Iraq or Cuba, why expect them to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear capability.
Once financial assets are released, reinvigorating the Iranian economy will bolster their terrorism fighting efforts in the region. Once money is released, Iran can fund programs and infrastructure in contrast to U.S Interests. Sanction snapbacks will be much more difficult now that Russia and China are now major players in Iran's nuclear development and economy. Russia and China must be negotiated first before sanctions could be re-administered.

But this begs the simple question, why does Iran need a Research & Development program if other peaceful nuclear nations could simply provide logistic and operational support? After all, that is what the NPT is all about.
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Old 09-20-2015, 09:53 AM
 
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So you express your condolences that Iran is governed by "dictatorial religious fundamentalists", but continue being a staunch supporter of every decision this dictatorial government makes?
No, there are many terrible things about Iran's government. Mainly that the religious fundamentalists in charge deny the Iranian people free will to dress how they want, and plenty of other stuff due to Iran being a theocracy.
These Stylish Iranian Women Won't Let A Dress Code Hold Them Back
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