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Was it the Soviets business to get involved there? You do know, don't you, that Communist involvement in Iran was a serious issue that played a role in our involvement in the 1953 coup. You know that, right? Or maybe not...
Was it the Soviets business to get involved there? You do know, don't you, that Communist involvement in Iran was a serious issue that played a role in our involvement in the 1953 coup. You know that, right? Or maybe not...
And? The Shah brutally oppressed the Iranian people, something the U.S. did and should not have done. It is not the job of the U.S. to pick governments for other nations.
Overthrowing the Mosaddegh government in 1953 was wrong, and it has led to huge blow back for the U.S.
Uh... you do know, don't you, that the coup occurred in the middle of a massive Cold War and our involvement was, in part, a parry to increasing Soviet domination in that region, right? Are you really going to measure our actions 60 years ago, in a totally different international situation, with the tree hugger diplomacy of today? Would you have preferred that the Soviets took over in Iran? Maybe so... Maybe the situation was a little more complicated than you think.
And has it occurred to you that moderate, secular Muslims in Iran.... largely created by the policies of the Shah, are NOT the agents of the 'blowback' you refer to. You know that, right? You do know that the 'blowback' you refer to is a creation of radical Islamists, right? You do now that the Shaw put a lid on radical Islam in Iran... right? You know that, right? Maybe not...
Or will you argue that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the 1979 coup?
Uh... you do know, don't you, that the coup occurred in the middle of a massive Cold War and our involvement was, in part, a parry to increasing Soviet domination in that region, right? Are you really going to measure our actions 60 years ago, in a totally different international situation, with the tree hugger diplomacy of today? Would you have preferred that the Soviets took over in Iran? Maybe so... Maybe the situation was a little more complicated than you think.
And has it occurred to you that moderate, secular Muslims in Iran.... largely created by the policies of the Shah, are NOT the agents of the 'blowback' you refer to. You know that, right? You do know that the 'blowback' you refer to is a creation of radical Islamists, right? You do now that the Shaw put a lid on radical Islam in Iran... right? You know that, right? Maybe not...
Or will you argue that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the 1979 coup?
That was not the reason the U.S. did the coup. Read the link from cia.gov, they mention the coup was done for economic purposes, not due to communism. Here is a quote from pages 23-24:
"At its core, Mossadeq’s overthrow was inspired not by a communist threat, but by an economic one."
It is not the job of the U.S. to choose governments for anyone, no matter how wonderful you think they are. The U.S. would object to Russia choosing the U.S. government, so why should the U.S. choose a government for Iran, who leads Iran is up to the Iranian people.
The blow back from the 1953 coup occurred in 1979 with the Islamic Revolution in Iran. If the U.S. never did the coup in the first place it is very likely the U.S. would have a friendlier Iran today, more than likely not headed by religious fundamentalists.
That was not the reason the U.S. did the coup. Read the link from cia.gov, they mention the coup was done for economic purposes, not due to communism. Here is a quote from pages 23-24:
"At its core, Mossadeq’s overthrow was inspired not by a communist threat, but by an economic one."
It is not the job of the U.S. to choose governments for anyone, no matter how wonderful you think they are. The U.S. would object to Russia choosing the U.S. government, so why should the U.S. choose a government for Iran, who leads Iran is up to the Iranian people.
The blow back from the 1953 coup occurred in 1979 with the Islamic Revolution in Iran. If the U.S. never did the coup in the first place it is very likely the U.S. would have a friendlier Iran today, more than likely not headed by religious fundamentalists.
You are confusing the rationale for the 1953 coup with whether or not it was a good idea. The rationale was pretty sound given the parameters at the time in the context of the situation at that time.
If you disagree with the rationale, fine. One man's opinion, as stated in the document you referenced, is not the end all, be all analysis. Is it? You cite it because you think it defends the idea that the Iranian revolution in 1979 was what we deserved.
What you and your fellow travelers really intend here is to justify the taking of US hostages in 1979. That's a position that is completely undefensible.
You can side with the radical Islamist mullahs, and you are, or you can see history in its actual context.
If the U.S. never did the coup in the first place it is very likely the U.S. would have a friendlier Iran today, more than likely not headed by religious fundamentalists.
In other words... WE created Islamic radicalism.... And Islam had nothing to do with it, right?
Even though President Obama could soon start the process of lifting sanctions, any enthusiasm here will probably wait for Iran’s leaders to go through their own deliberately orchestrated review process.
Oh my. The deal is done. Yeh yeh, the Iranian parliament is going through its own process but it is largely theatre. Iran has its own internal BS just like the US does with its own congressional nutjobs. The difference in this case is that only the old hardliners in Iran are against it.
The whole debate about whether or not this deal is done, is over. Well and truly. We can debate its merits for fun if you like, but it won't change the reality.
You are confusing the rationale for the 1953 coup with whether or not it was a good idea. The rationale was pretty sound given the parameters at the time in the context of the situation at that time.
If you disagree with the rationale, fine. One man's opinion, as stated in the document you referenced, is not the end all, be all analysis. Is it? You cite it because you think it defends the idea that the Iranian revolution in 1979 was what we deserved.
What you and your fellow travelers really intend here is to justify the taking of US hostages in 1979. That's a position that is completely undefensible.
You can side with the radical Islamist mullahs, and you are, or you can see history in its actual context.
It is the job of the Iranian people to choose their own government, not the U.S.
The Islamic Revolution in 1979 was the blow back from the 1953 coup, that was the cost of the 1953 coup. Have not even mentioned, much less justified, the embassy hostage taking.
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In other words... WE created Islamic radicalism.... And Islam had nothing to do with it, right?
All I have stated is that the 1953 coup set in motion a chain of events that eventually led to those religious fundamentalists gaining power in Iran.
Was it the Soviets business to get involved there?
It's none of my business.
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You do know, don't you, that Communist involvement in Iran was a serious issue that played a role in our involvement in the 1953 coup. You know that, right? Or maybe not...
Kinda like that mess in North Korea and Vietnam.
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