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Old 09-16-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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Prevents nothing. Enhances Iran getting the bomb. The mad mullahs will do whatever they want regardless of any empty promises from them.
And what is your historical precedent for this opinion in Iran? In other words, what separates your "mad mullahs" spiel from cynical lying propaganda insofar is Iran is concerned?
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:05 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Of course you can't provide any thing of substance to show that this is wrong.

I didn't provide any links because I shouldn't have to. I will below, but those who make claims like "Iran can self inspect their own sites" are just believing some crap that was put out by the AP (based on an initial draft with regard to Parchin but didn't become of the actual deal) and then retracted.

Exclusive: Iran to take Parchin military site samples with IAEA present - diplomats* | Reuters

Another Republican Lie Goes Down In Flames: Iran Won't Be Self-Inspecting Nuclear Sites

Iran to take Parchin military site samples with IAEA present - Reuters

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...EJp4sE_qsUAfkw



United Nations inspectors will be present with Iranian technicians as they take samples from a key military site, two Western diplomats said, undercutting an objection by U.S. Republicans to the nuclear deal between Iran and world powers.

Iran has agreed to accept comprehensive International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspections of its suspect sites as part of the historic July deal in exchange for an easing of international sanctions.

An August report by the Associated Press, in its original version, said the agreement on Parchin suggested that IAEA inspectors would be barred from the site and would have to rely on information and environmental samples provided by Iranian technicians. The AP later published what it said was the text of an early draft of the agreement that remains unconfirmed.

The report was seized on by Republicans in the U.S. Congress as proof that President Barack Obama's administration gave in to Iran on the sensitive issue of inspections to check on Tehran's suspected ambition to build a nuclear bomb.
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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This deal is to prevent Iran from getting nuclear arms, it is not about anything else including Israel.

This action speaks volumes about what is important to the GOP, a historic deal to prevent nuclear proliferation and suddenly it's all about Israel.


In Last-Ditch Ploy, Mitch McConnell Ties Iran Deal To Recognition Of Israel

So you're OK with Iran's incessant threats to annihilate our friend Israel and with Iran keeping 4 American hostages... right?

Nice of you to throw in with the Mullahs.
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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So you're OK with Iran's incessant threats to annihilate our friend Israel and with Iran keeping 4 American hostages... right?

Nice of you to throw in with the Mullahs.
Israel is more than capable of taking care of themselves. If anything, Iran is the one who would suffer should they ever be stupid enough to take on Israel.

This deal is between Iran and six other world powers, not Iran and the U.S. alone. We should negotiate for things that fall outside the scope of this agreement separately.
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Agree, it is a complicated deal considering 7 countries are involved. Guess another deal will be needed regarding the U.S. citizens in Iran.

Wonder how the sanctions removal will go. Think congress will try to derail that?
Sanctions removal would be difficult enough with a cooperative congress.

Removing the US sanctions on foreign companies and banks doing business with Iran will be the first step. Iran will be blocked from doing business with the US because of their participation in terrorism even after this agreement.

The complications come in with foreign subsidiaries of US companies doing business with other countries that may be connected to Iran.

Congress is already considering stepping up other sanctions that are outside the current deal, I would think that would be a show stopper for Iran at this time.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us...sanctions.html
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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I didn't provide any links because I shouldn't have to. I will below, but those who make claims like "Iran can self inspect their own sites" are just believing some crap that was put out by the AP (based on an initial draft with regard to Parchin but didn't become of the actual deal) and then retracted.

Exclusive: Iran to take Parchin military site samples with IAEA present - diplomats* | Reuters

Another Republican Lie Goes Down In Flames: Iran Won't Be Self-Inspecting Nuclear Sites

Iran to take Parchin military site samples with IAEA present - Reuters

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...EJp4sE_qsUAfkw



United Nations inspectors will be present with Iranian technicians as they take samples from a key military site, two Western diplomats said, undercutting an objection by U.S. Republicans to the nuclear deal between Iran and world powers.

Iran has agreed to accept comprehensive International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspections of its suspect sites as part of the historic July deal in exchange for an easing of international sanctions.

An August report by the Associated Press, in its original version, said the agreement on Parchin suggested that IAEA inspectors would be barred from the site and would have to rely on information and environmental samples provided by Iranian technicians. The AP later published what it said was the text of an early draft of the agreement that remains unconfirmed.

The report was seized on by Republicans in the U.S. Congress as proof that President Barack Obama's administration gave in to Iran on the sensitive issue of inspections to check on Tehran's suspected ambition to build a nuclear bomb.
Iran isn't going to allow anyone to inspect any sensitive facilities nor should they.

Many understand diplomat speak.

"I am disturbed by statements suggesting that the IAEA has given responsibility for nuclear inspections to Iran. Such statements misrepresent the way in which we will undertake this important verification work," IAEA Director-General Yukiya Amano said in an unusually strongly worded statement on Thursday.

He doesn't say the claims are wrong. he says they are being misrepresented. He also says he is unable to provide any verification for his claims.

IAEA says report Iran to inspect own military site is 'misrepresentation' | Reuters

I support anything that keeps us out of Iran but I also support full disclosure and full facts out of the government which are greatly lacking.
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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Concerning my earlier argument that we do the very things we condemn other countries for doing.....

U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander | McClatchy DC
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So you're OK with Iran's incessant threats to annihilate our friend Israel and with Iran keeping 4 American hostages... right?

Nice of you to throw in with the Mullahs.
You don't hear that from the president just the Ayatollah and some right wingers.

If we got along with them we wouldn't need an agreement, the nations involved in this are not going to back out because of angry rhetoric from some old school right wing nuts.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Sanctions removal would be difficult enough with a cooperative congress.

Removing the US sanctions on foreign companies and banks doing business with Iran will be the first step. Iran will be blocked from doing business with the US because of their participation in terrorism even after this agreement.

The complications come in with foreign subsidiaries of US companies doing business with other countries that may be connected to Iran.

Congress is already considering stepping up other sanctions that are outside the current deal, I would think that would be a show stopper for Iran at this time.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us...sanctions.html
How would that stop the rest of the world from trading with Iran?

A hint. It wouldn't. They would trade with Iran as they please, ignoring the US.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Israel is more than capable of taking care of themselves. If anything, Iran is the one who would suffer should they ever be stupid enough to take on Israel.

This deal is between Iran and six other world powers, not Iran and the U.S. alone. We should negotiate for things that fall outside the scope of this agreement separately.
Yes, Israel is capable of taking care of themselves. That isn't even the point. Their capabilities doesn't mean we should allow them to get the short end of the stick when we are in a position to prevent that.

And there is NO REASON the hostages they are holding could NOT be in the scope of this agreement.

This agreement is utterly without defense.
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