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Old 10-09-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Very simple, they have no place in society, except in the hands of the military.

Most would be calling me an ultra liberal for my stand on this issue, but I am just the opposite.
I am a conservative republican.
Perhaps we need to understand the word "conservative" as it applies to some, but not all republicans.

Conservative people tend to want to preserve.
To conserve is to preserve something .

As a staunch defender of disarming the public, I am in fact in favor of preserving human life everywhere.
One way to preserve that life is to rid the country of all guns.
I believe they are nothing but killing machines.
There are many ways to eradicate a human life besides guns, but guns seem to be the predominant weapon of choice, so they must be dealt with first.

As a conservative, I see a problem with society, and it's use of deadly gunfire, and my gut feeling is to lash out at the source.
Look at the problem for what it is, and find the best solution to fix it.

With a tough issue like gun control, one can't please everyone.
Some will have to sacrifice long held beliefs, for the good of all.
As a conservative, do I think the 2nd amendment should be preserved ?
To answer that, it would take the best scholars in the world to interpret just what the founding fathers meant in their ambiguous wording of the amendment.
As it is written, I would re-write it to reflect the world we live in today.

'A well regulated militia, the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed."
It is as if two different subjects were being discussed at the same time, and both made it into the second amendment, even tho they are completely unrelated, unless of course they looked on a militia as being ordinary citizens who voluntarily took up arms in the time of war.
I feel this is the thinking behind the 2nd amendment.

Taking it at that value, the amendment would only allow for citizens to bare arms in time of war, and that right will not be infringed.
I would preserve that meaning of the amendment, and not let it be clouded by the unfounded desire of the public at large to be armed and protected under the amendment.
As a conservative, I feel it necessary to preserve the rule of law written into the constitution, but only if those laws are clear, and unabated, which obviously the 2ndamendment is not.

Bob.
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Very simple, they have no place in society, except in the hands of the military.

Cool.
I saw a movie where only the police and military had guns...Schindler's List.
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Some will have to sacrifice long held beliefs, for the good of all.
If you believe that something called "society", "mankind", "humanity"; has "rights" which override those of the responsible individual, you are no conservative, but just one more strain of authoritarian and closeted Fascist.

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Old 10-09-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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So what do you do if someone breaks into your home? Hide and whimper? Call out "take what you want but don't hurt me!"
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:31 PM
 
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cool story, bro.

how do you recommend we get all the guns out of the hands of criminals?
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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So what do you do if someone breaks into your home? Hide and whimper? Call out "take what you want but don't hurt me!"
While calling 911 and expecting someone with a gun to come and save him.
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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LOL - fire season in Kommiefornia must be over and the OP didn't get to use his flame suit.

My suggestion to the OP. Move to Oakland or Sacramento, and get back to us in a few months after you've been shot or robbed a few times. Living on your knees when only tyrants and bad guys have guns might lose it's esoteric shine after awhile.

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Old 10-09-2015, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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As a conservative, I see a problem with society, and it's use of deadly gunfire, and my gut feeling is to lash out at the source.
Look at the problem for what it is, and find the best solution to fix it.
You clearly haven't looked very closely at the issue, but have listened to the media far to much and have no idea what the source is (it isn't guns). Society doesn't have a problem with "deadly gunfire". If you don't plan on committing suicide with a gun, aren't a criminal, and especially if you're white, the US is safer than almost every country in Europe with not only a lower firearm death rate but a lower homicide rate period.

US firearm deaths 30,000
Minus 61% suicides 11,700
Minus 60-85% criminals killing criminals (72.5% average) 3,218
Minus 400 shot by police 2,818
Minus 300 in legal defensive use of firearm 2,518

If you want to save lives focusing on guns is just about the last thing you should worry about.
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: california
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Utopia does not exist.
Criminals wii choose any means to abuse , be it a gun or hands around your neck or a bomb .
Laws do not make bad people behave .
The only way to retain an equality is for all to have equal access to self defense .
The only law that works is one that is applied the same across the board . no exception for sanity, age, or status.
It is childish to think taking one thing away is going to solve a humanity problem .
BTW, many of the statistics for gun owners is not necessarily accurate , I know several folk that were polled and refused to acknowledge their gun ownership.
I was just talking t a gentleman today that does CCW training and many liberals are acquiring their CCW as well.
More people are seeing the light on gun ownership than the media might think. More than the government will admit.
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