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View Poll Results: Should Army Traitor Bowe Bergdahl Go To Prison
Yes One Year 6 5.08%
Yes Five Years 10 8.47%
Yes Ten or More years 66 55.93%
No Prison 10 8.47%
No Prison. He already spent his time in hell. 11 9.32%
No Prison He's a hero. 5 4.24%
other 9 7.63%
not sure 1 0.85%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-15-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I trust the hearing's commanding officer and his release of his recommendations. Right now, that's the only official release, and it came straight from the Article 32 hearing.

You don't know squat, Arjay. No one does until, or if, a full report is released.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Explain how Bergdahl is innocent since he did desert regardless of how you parse any partial statement that you cherry pick to support yourself. Explain how he should not be punished according to military law. Explain how anything you disagree with has no value and is a personal attack. Explain to us how the military is not influenced by Obama and does exactly what he wants, by their own regulations.

I too have gone through your posts and seen nothing condemning this cowardice displayed. Even the eyewitness testimony of his direct superiors and squad mates is dismissed. Explain how his stated excuse of his superiors incompetence has come true by his actions.

Then we can talk.
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Do you trust all defense lawyers to admit to the truth about their clients? If so, I pity you.
Just one deflection and misinterpretation after another.


Again, I posted the link to the full transcript. That is the only testimony that matters at this point.
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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I trust the hearing's commanding officer and his release of his recommendations. Right now, that's the only official release, and it came straight from the Article 32 hearing.

You don't know squat, Arjay. No one does until, or if, a full report is released.
Would that include you? And it covers both charges?

Waiting for the full report and then the investigation of those who interviewed Bergdahl and the release of the actual tapes of what was said.
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Just one deflection and misinterpretation after another.
Yes, that is what you are doing. Glad to see you admit it.

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Again, I posted the link to the full transcript. That is the only testimony
that matters at this point.
So you admit that your defense could (and should) change at the final outcome. Nice of you to admit that you could be wrong.
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Yes well now I do, before it was just newspapers and other media.

The entire 400 pages are here, read up!


http://media.ksat.com/document_dev/2...534_ver1.0.pdf
An addendum to my response to this post. I doubt very seriously that you have read 400 pages in the few days since it was released. Since you have lied about so many things in this thread I suspect that if you read any of it, you stopped when you came across some portion that on the face of it supported your unfounded claims.
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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So you admit that your defense could (and should) change at the final outcome. Nice of you to admit that you could be wrong.
Again you've misinterpreted what I've posted.

I never defended Bergdahl. I defended the process by which it will be determined what his crime actually was.

I've never seen any point in wringing my hands over what other people think he did or didn't do.
As I've repeatedly said, the only testimony that matters is that which was given at the hearing and, if is it so decided, further court martial.

For whatever reason, because I posted links and quotes from the actual testimony that happened to contradict that which has been bandied about in the media since he stepped off the plane, you chose to view that as my defending his actions is some fashion.

A reasonable person would understand that all I did was present the facts as they are now known.
Facts are not positive or negative. They just are.
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Old 10-16-2015, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Again you've misinterpreted what I've posted.

I never defended Bergdahl. I defended the process by which it will be determined what his crime actually was.

I've never seen any point in wringing my hands over what other people think he did or didn't do.
As I've repeatedly said, the only testimony that matters is that which was given at the hearing and, if is it so decided, further court martial.

For whatever reason, because I posted links and quotes from the actual testimony that happened to contradict that which has been bandied about in the media since he stepped off the plane, you chose to view that as my defending his actions is some fashion.

A reasonable person would understand that all I did was present the facts as they are now known.
Facts are not positive or negative. They just are.
Well, if the only testimony that matters is that which was given at the hearing as you claimed,

Then, why

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified Friday Bergdahl was "unrealistically idealistic" when he left his remote outpost some six years ago, hoping to draw attention to what he considered poor leadership of his unit.

» Army general says prison sentence 'inappropriate' for Bergdahl » News -- GOPUSA

Is Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl a psychic, psychologist, mental health specialist, or he just expressed his opinion like everybody else does?
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Well, if the only testimony that matters is that which was given at the hearing as you claimed,

Then, why

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified Friday Bergdahl was "unrealistically idealistic" when he left his remote outpost some six years ago, hoping to draw attention to what he considered poor leadership of his unit.

» Army general says prison sentence 'inappropriate' for Bergdahl » News -- GOPUSA

Is Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl a psychic, psychologist, mental health specialist, or he just expressed his opinion like everybody else does?
Why what?

I don't understand the point of the question.

Clearly someone thought he was qualified to testify, otherwise he wouldn't have given the cited testimony.

What I think or feel about his testimony is totally immaterial since I am not/won't be responsible for deciding next steps in this case.

Gen. Abrams does have a Facebook page. Perhaps you could take this concern up with him directly.
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Why what?

I don't understand the point of the question.

Clearly someone thought he was qualified to testify, otherwise he wouldn't have given the cited testimony.

What I think or feel about his testimony is totally immaterial since I am not/won't be responsible for deciding next steps in this case.

Gen. Abrams does have a Facebook page. Perhaps you could take this concern up with him directly.
Why what?

I don't understand the point of your last paragraph.

He was an army investigator, he shouldn't be expressing any opinions. He did and that wasn't fair.

Maybe when reading the report, keep an open mind will help you staying fair and balanced.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:35 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Again you've misinterpreted what I've posted.

I never defended Bergdahl. I defended the process by which it will be determined what his crime actually was.

I've never seen any point in wringing my hands over what other people think he did or didn't do.
As I've repeatedly said, the only testimony that matters is that which was given at the hearing and, if is it so decided, further court martial.

For whatever reason, because I posted links and quotes from the actual testimony that happened to contradict that which has been bandied about in the media since he stepped off the plane, you chose to view that as my defending his actions is some fashion.

A reasonable person would understand that all I did was present the facts as they are now known.
Facts are not positive or negative. They just are.
As long as you post items from both sides, yes. You cite only those that support Bergdahl and claim them as acceptable. A bit of bias there, but you will never admit it.
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