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Old 12-02-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Root of evil? No you're jumping into a discussion about unhealthy foods and obesity.

The thread is about the environmental impact of meat production, which is pretty high.



Seems harder to mandate physical activity over a population so I'd rather just charge a little extra for unhealthy food. This would help with preventing obesity to some degree and making people more financially responsible for their health.
Can we define "unhealthy food" please. Who will be in charge of such definition? The First Lady? Peta? The Surgeon General? Dr. Oz?

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Old 12-02-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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Can we define "unhealthy food" please. Who will be in charge of such definition? The First Lady? Peta? The Surgeon General? Dr. Oz?

Meat isn't unhealthy. Actually no food really is.
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Murder is immoral also......maybe a little prison for you is the answer.
Sounds like you've conceded and are waving the white flag.

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Meat isn't unhealthy. Actually no food really is.
It's the moderation part.... Devil is in the dose.

Red meat is actually linked to several gastro-type of cancers when you eat a lot of it for awhile. But you probably don't believe in that type of stuff...
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Can we define "unhealthy food" please. Who will be in charge of such definition? The First Lady? Peta? The Surgeon General? Dr. Oz?

High trans fat, high sodium, and high sugar products....? The stuff folks have been telling folks to eat in moderation but we are still the fattest country.
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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Sounds like you've conceded and are waving the white flag.



It's the moderation part.... Devil is in the dose.

Red meat is actually linked to several gastro-type of cancers when you eat a lot of it for awhile. But you probably don't believe in that type of stuff...
Linda McCartney didn't eat meat but still got cancer. Anything to excess is bad and your solution to that is to tax the poor whether they eat poorly or not.

Guilty whether you are or not. You don't really care about the people but in controlling them to live like you would prefer.
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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Linda McCartney didn't eat meat but still got cancer. Anything to excess is bad and your solution to that is to tax the poor whether they eat poorly or not.
You've already used that lame excuse. You have hard time with the concept of risk management.

Well the poor would have to decide whether to spend more on unhealthy food. It's not like there aren't any other alternatives to eating unhealthy....

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Guilty whether you are or not. You don't really care about the people but in controlling them to live like you would prefer.
Obesity is a healthcare crisis which is not debatable. Obesity costs over $100 billion for a preventable issue.

We've tried to it your way and it hasn't worked out, obesity is too costly.
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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You've already used that lame excuse. You have hard time with the concept of risk management.

Well the poor would have to decide whether to spend more on unhealthy food. It's not like there aren't any other alternatives to eating unhealthy....
There is no such thing as unhealthy food.

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Obesity is a healthcare crisis which is not debatable. Obesity costs over $100 billion for a preventable issue.

We've tried to it your way and it hasn't worked out, obesity is too costly.
We haven't tried it my way. My way is to make those who use the most health care pay the most.
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Old 12-02-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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There is no such thing as unhealthy food.
So a diet of pure twinkies isn't unhealthy? Or you still trying hard to be dense...?

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We haven't tried it my way. My way is to make those who use the most health care pay the most.
Again, prevention is cheaper. Why do you want to take the more costly route?
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Old 12-02-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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Obesity is immoral.
Oh now we will have to define 'immorality'.

Do you propose legislating/taxing all immorality, or just some?

And what about the people with enviable metabolism/constitutions who consume all the donuts and sugary drinks they want without ill effect?

Would you be against artificial sweeteners too (because we know that they're not good for us either).
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Old 12-02-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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So a diet of pure twinkies isn't unhealthy?
It never fails.
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