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Old 12-08-2015, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The lower classes have far more votes than the upper classes. If you continue to vote for wealth redistribution to the top, that is what you are going to get.
I've watched a number of different administrations and Congresses lead this country and its ever widening income and wage gap. Pray tell, who in your opinion would best address this. I've always voted a straight Democratic ticket, but if you know a better way I am all ears!
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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History shows very clearly that that's no way to grow a society.
YMMV
Not true at all. Inequality harms nobody. Poverty harms billions. Equality does not address poverty.
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I've watched a number of different administrations and Congresses lead this country and its ever widening income and wage gap. Pray tell, who in your opinion would best address this.
What is the problem that needs to be addressed?
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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I've watched a number of different administrations and Congresses lead this country and its ever widening income and wage gap. Pray tell, who in your opinion would best address this. I've always voted a straight Democratic ticket, but if you know a better way I am all ears!
I believe Sanders will make a valid attempt at it. Quite unlike Obama. If the gap concerns you I understand voting for Obama the first time. He said a lot of good things. I had hoped he would follow through on them but he didn't.

How anyone could have voted for him the second time after putting it to the middle and lower classes is beyond me.

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 because while I hoped he was being upfront he just wasn't someone I believed. Sanders is pretty honest.
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Pure BS. Mass transit has monthly and subsidized rates. Chicago, for example: https://metrarail.com/metra/en/home/tickets.html
Not everyone lives in Chicago dear one. There are no reduced fares where I live. In most parts of California the only thing that even comes close to being a 'subsidized rate' is a single 30 day bus pass for a women who is enrolled in 'welfare to work' so that she can get to job interviews.
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They can even get hospital assistance in giving birth, which isn't a life-threatening medical condition.
It is actually considered an emergency. A child born on the sidewalk outside of the hospital is likely to die -
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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Not true at all. Inequality harms nobody. Poverty harms billions. Equality does not address poverty.


i think inequality has an inherent tendency to harm some people, because humans are hierarchical social animals. as George Gilder noted in Wealth and Poverty (1984) and some of his earlier works, men who earn less than the mainstream of women in their society are pretty much screwed in the mating and marriage market.

in more genteel writings this is expressed by saying these men are unmarriageable.

some people will say that poor American men are actually rich by global standards, but American women do not compare poor American men to men in other societies, they compare poor American men to other American men, and of course they find poor American men insufferably inadequate.

so given human nature, inequality guarantees some men - especially in their first few decades of life when there is a substantial surplus of men - won't find partners.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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What is the problem that needs to be addressed?
It's a poor people thing. You wouldn't understand...
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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so given human nature, inequality guarantees some men - especially in their first few decades of life when there is a substantial surplus of men - won't find partners.
Just a guess, but I don't think he is going to see this as a problem...
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I believe Sanders will make a valid attempt at it. Quite unlike Obama. If the gap concerns you I understand voting for Obama the first time. He said a lot of good things. I had hoped he would follow through on them but he didn't.

How anyone could have voted for him the second time after putting it to the middle and lower classes is beyond me.

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 because while I hoped he was being upfront he just wasn't someone I believed. Sanders is pretty honest.
I like Sanders too. I'll pull for him as long as he keeps going. If he doesn't get the nomination, however... ... but... as to his being honest... specifically, more honest than Obama... how would you possibly know that? I think Sanders is a good guy, but if he gets the White House he will disappoint us. It's inevitable. That is why I could vote for Obama twice. I hold nothing against him. People only see the promises broken. I see the myriad small things that were never promised but he fixed them anyway. I don't think there has been anyone better in living memory. Unlike you I don't think it is within a President's power to change anything substantive about how America works. When and if Occupy Wall St. reboots hopefully a Version 2.0, then we may see some change on the ground.
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