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Old 12-30-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No one said "only."
Fair enough, then there was no point to the link other than to say some gay people prefer Subarus.....
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Fair enough, then there was no point to the link other than to say some gay people prefer Subarus.....
I'll reiterate CBS News:

Gay-Friendly Cars: Is Subaru Number One? - CBS News
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They can indeed legally refuse to sell product that violates their religious beliefs: bacon, pork, etc.

If you want things your way, work towards exempting business owners from FICA, etc.
Which religious belief says a person cannot sell wedding cakes?
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And your point is? The link says nothing about Subarus being gay cars.
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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Which religious belief says a person cannot sell wedding cakes?
In stock / off the shelf wedding cakes? None. Special order wedding cakes for a SSM? I'll defer to this:

Religious Groups
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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So if a neo-Nazi walks into a Jewish bakery and demands a cake with a black swastika on it and the words "Incinerate all Jews"to celebrate Hitlers birthday the Jewish baker should be required to bake it?

If a KKK member walks into a black bakery and demands a cake with a noose and the words "Hang the Negros" on it to celebrate the founding of the KKK the black baker should be required to make it?
No, they have to offer the same product to everyone, if they don't offer that design period, they don't have to make it...
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:25 AM
 
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Which religious belief says a person cannot sell wedding cakes?
The same religious beliefs that teach we should not endorse sin, much less make a profit off of it.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:25 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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They are business owners, reasonable accomodation only applies to employees not to patrons, besides people usually custom order cakes for weddings.


Bingo. The very essence of the false equivalence in comparing the two scenarios. Legal responsibilities vary greatly between employer/employee and business/customer.

Also, not tough to prove your case when the employer in question ADMITS they didn't attempt to make "reasonable accommodations" and simply fired them, instead.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Cake's have sexual orientation now?? If they sell a cake, they can't discriminate who they sell the cake too, it really is a pretty simple concept.



I have never heard of a case in which a Christian baker refused to do any business with a homosexual customer except to provide a specific special order cake for a same-sex wedding ceremony.

Furthermore, in all of these cases, I know of none in which the customer didn`t have many other bakeries eager to provide the cake the Christian baker would not.


So, it really isn`t a matter of someone being deprived of something.


What this all boils down to is statists waging a religious war against Christians who refuse to renounce their faith and bow at the altar of government.


They would establish statism as the official state religion and vigorously enforce its boundless and ever changing moral code on all.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I have never heard of a case in which a Christian baker refused to do any business with a homosexual customer except to provide a specific special order cake for a same-sex wedding ceremony.

Furthermore, in all of these cases, I know of none in which the customer didn`t have many other bakeries eager to provide the cake the Christian baker would not.


So, it really isn`t a matter of someone being deprived of something.


What this all boils down to is statists waging a religious war against Christians who refuse to renounce their faith and bow at the altar of government.


They would establish statism as the official state religion and vigorously enforce its boundless and ever changing moral code on all.

What this is about is someone decided they were above the law and wanted to use their religious beliefs as a way to excuse breaking the law and specifically anti-discrimination law in the state of Oregon. This has NOTHING to do with anything against any specific religion, it has to do with anti discrimination law in Oregon, period.
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