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I did not see that clearly stated in an article regarding this specific bakery, still it is a violation
and let's not pretend all laws are effective.
My family owns several retail stores in the shopping mall, many chain store managers don't hire Muslims or certain minorities and they do it LEGALLY. They just won't say it to their faces. I can honestly say they don't hire them because they are afraid of troubles. If they have to fire them in the future, will they cry discrimination. These managers are not racists or bigots, they are just aware of the sue happy nature of the society, and they want to avoid trouble.
If people want to discriminate, they will always find a way, you can have biiiiiiig government and biiiiiiig laws all you want, eventually, it will hurt minority. I see it on daily basis. There are always differences between a fantasy ideal world and reality world.
Why? If religion should be left out of business, does that mean we should feel free to lie, cheat, and steal, as long as it involves only business? The obvious answer to that is, "Of course not." Scripture tells us that everything we do should be guided by our faith.
Christians do not "check their faith" at the front door when they leave for the office in the morning. Nor should they.
Obviously, you aren't a Christian.
It is pretty simple, if part of following the laws violates their religious beliefs then they need to find a new business to run or don't offer the specific service that violates their religious beliefs to anyone.
My family owns several retail stores in the shopping mall, many chain store managers don't hire Muslims and they do it LEGALLY. They just won't say it to their faces. I can honestly say they don't hire them because they are afraid troubles. If they have to fire them in the future, will they cry discrimination.
If people want to discriminate, they will always find a way, you can have biiiiiiig government and biiiiiiig laws all you want, eventually, it will hurt minority. I see it on daily basis.
You're right in the fact that some people and some business's are able to get around certain laws, and this particular business might have been able to do so if they weren't so explicit in their reasoning to deny the service. Also, one of the key reasons they were fined were as a result of what happened to the couple after the denial of service occurred when the business released the couple's personal information to the public.
Well calling it a "Christian bakery" is not exactly 100% on point, it is a bakery that happens to be owned by Christians. They aren't a non-profit religious organization, they are a business and as such must follow laws that all business's must follow which includes anti-discrimination laws. They can't violate laws business's must operate under. If they feel so strongly about their religion then it is pretty simple, don't offer products that conflict with your personal religious beliefs.
You have repeatedly and wrongly claimed Christians have refused to do business with homosexuals when it is only in the case of a special order same-sex wedding cake being ordered that any refusal of any business has taken place.
Moreover, you are quick to link homosexual wedding cakes to the civil rights movement while at the same time you assert that Christian bakeries must obey local laws, but the civil rights movement was conducted in violation of local laws for the expressed purpose of challenging what were claimed by civil rights leaders to be unjust laws.
So which side of your mouth would you like to speak out of now?
Was MLK wrong to challenge unjust laws?
Is the disobedience of immoral laws wrong?
Is obedience of immoral laws wrong?
You seem to play by your own rules and change those rules on the fly as suits your immediate need.
Well when you have any laws, then you could say free market doesn't exist. That is why a business can't hang a sign in the window that says no blacks allowed or Jews or Christians or white blonde haired people or the elderly or so on.
That isn't big government, that is just government and laws that are enacted by the people of the country.
I don`t know of any religion that requires adherents to not do business with outside groups, but that isn`t really what is taking place either.
Christian bakers do business with homosexuals all the time and never refuse business unless that specific business is a special order cake for a same-sex wedding.
The only reason they refuse to do that is because they believe they would be participating in an activity their faith deems sinful.
Of course that isn`t acceptable to the Gaystapo who insist that everyone bow to their god.
The EEOC filed suit on behalf of Muslim truckers who were fired for refusing to carry alcohol because it violated their religious beliefs. Christians, however, get no such protection for refusing to service 'gay's demanding they bake wedding cakes and cater 'gay weddings.'
No bakery is required to offer wedding cakes. IF they CHOOSE to offer wedding cakes for sale they can not discriminate based on the sexual orientation of the person purchasing the cake.
If wedding cakes violate their religion then they should not offer wedding cakes for sale. If alcohol violates their religious beliefs, they should not offer alcohol for sale. If red tee shirts violate your religious beliefs then do not offer red tee shirts for sale. But if you do offer those items to one person they you must offer them to all.
It's simple.
It is not the person that is being discriminated against.
The same Christian baker would also refuse to bake a wedding cake for a heterosexual if the cake is intended for a same-sex wedding.
You and your friends keep dancing around that fact, but there is no discrimination against homosexuals who seem to have, at least in the cases I know of, been previous customers of the bakers in question.
The refusal to participate in a same-sex wedding by baking a cake for the event is not discrimination against a person, but it is evidence of a thought crime.
The PC Gaystapo, you and your friends, are vigorously prosecuting this particular thought crime.
You have repeatedly and wrongly claimed Christians have refused to do business with homosexuals when it is only in the case of a special order same-sex wedding cake being ordered that any refusal of any business has taken place.
Moreover, you are quick to link homosexual wedding cakes to the civil rights movement while at the same time you assert that Christian bakeries must obey local laws, but the civil rights movement was conducted in violation of local laws for the expressed purpose of challenging what were claimed by civil rights leaders to be unjust laws.
So which side of your mouth would you like to speak out of now?
Was MLK wrong to challenge unjust laws?
Is the disobedience of immoral laws wrong?
Is obedience of immoral laws wrong?
You seem to play by your own rules and change those rules on the fly as suits your immediate need.
I didn't say that they refused to do business with homosexuals. What I stated was if they offer a specific service they must provide that service equally and can't discriminate on who they offer and don't offer that service to. In this particular case wedding cakes are a service the bakery in question provides and under the law they aren't able to discriminate on who they offer that service to.
Secondly, the comparison between MLK fighting for Civil Rights and a business fighting for a right to discriminate is completely absurd.
So you believe alcohol should have the same civil rights as gay people?
Civil rights are "different" from constitutional rights.
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