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Let me put the brakes on that BS right there my friend.
Let me educate you based on my travels on what your articles did not tell you about their premiums.
They pay through their backside for healthcare. Socialist societies with single payer have HUGE VALUE ADDED TAXES on all goods and services. Been there and done that on some 60 day vacations for work. :->
Well, yeah, things aren't free. And by the time you add in you local, state and federal taxes, sales taxes, fees and health insurance premiums you are paying just as much as Europeans are with less to show for it in return.
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My Nordstrom shoes which are maybe $65 costs $350 all through Germany, Spain, Italy and so forth.
They also have mostly 100 year multi-generational mortgages for property so you don't own anything.
Also, 70,000 people died throughout Europe from the climate when they could not afford heating.
Most dresses sold in Europe are a size zero to 4 because they can not afford to eat that much.
A meal in the USA that would cost in a restaurant $15 would cost $40 throughout the Mediterranean.
Spent a couple of hundred days over the last 5 years seeing all that. Glad I did because with their Muslim problem I am not going back soon.
PS: These places all have a cash only system as well to get your needed stuff done quickly as well.
Single payer is not what you think. At least not through Europe and the Mediterranean.
Ok, now that is a load of it if I've ever. European countries is mostly more expensive due to the high VAT and importing, but the things that are usually subtotally less expensive are the luxury goods that they produce. Good quality American made shoes at Nordstrom will run you $300+ while you can buy handmade in Portugal and Italy for about the same price or less. Irish woolen goods are half what they cost here in the US. And good food and drink are mostly on par with bigger US cities in most countries and are dirt cheap in the Mediterranean and eastern Europe.
And I won;t even address the 70,000 supposedly dying because they don't have eat, or people wearing smaller dresses because they can;t afford food. When did you travel in Europe, 1938?
We've been growing takers, not payers.
Even California glowed about how we are so bad off that 90% of people in California paid less than $100 for their insurance.
So I went to a buddy who makes 17k a year delivering packages. His subsidy is large, but he pays $126.
WOW, so that tells you way more than 90% of Californians make less than 16k a year.
Is that creating takers or payers?
Are we not growing poverty away from a middle class then?
Dude... yeah I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
That it is failing is your claim, not mine. I am saying it is imperfect, you as saying it is an abject failure... while you soak up the free insurance.
It was promised to insure EVERY american, and DROP premiums $2500 per family... It was supposed to get more PAYING customers, not welfare recipients to spread the risk..
Some people either didnt pay attention to the claimed benefits of passing ACA, or they forgot.. Which category do you fall under?
None of those fund health care. So... no health care for them.
Adopt the Scandinavian and European tax models: 20-25% VAT tax that everyone pays, and highest marginal national income tax rate applied to the middle class (around $40,000 income for a household) and above.
Do that, and national health care might be possible.
LOL I've been there and based on the 500% increase in many prices for stuff there compared with the United States, those poor bastards are paying far more than the percieved 20-25%.
Every place across the pond takes everyday stuff and prices it like it's Rodeo Drive.
It was promised to insure EVERY american, and DROP premiums $2500 per family...
And Republicans promised the US would go bankrupt.
And I'm still waiting for the specifics on the Republican replacement plan, as well as any policies and programs they have initiated that specifically help address poverty.
It was promised to insure EVERY american, and DROP premiums $2500 per family...
My wife saw a 400% increase.
Mine was only 250%.
Deductibles tripled.
No care for me until after premiums and a $6500 deductible. That is $12,000 a year for NOTHING.
People doing that to us a hundred years ago would have been tared and feathered IMO.
Let me put the brakes on that BS right there my friend.
Let me educate you based on my travels on what your articles did not tell you about their premiums.
They pay through their backside for healthcare. Socialist societies with single payer have HUGE VALUE ADDED TAXES on all goods and services. Been there and done that on some 60 day vacations for work. :->
My Nordstrom shoes which are maybe $65 costs $350 all through Germany, Spain, Italy and so forth.
They also have mostly 100 year multi-generational mortgages for property so you don't own anything.
Also, 70,000 people died throughout Europe from the climate when they could not afford heating.
Most dresses sold in Europe are a size zero to 4 because they can not afford to eat that much.
A meal in the USA that would cost in a restaurant $15 would cost $40 throughout the Mediterranean.
Spent a couple of hundred days over the last 5 years seeing all that. Glad I did because with their Muslim problem I am not going back soon.
PS: These places all have a cash only system as well to get your needed stuff done quickly as well.
Single payer is not what you think. At least not through Europe and the Mediterranean.
We are not europe, we are the world's largest consumer. No need for a Vat tax.
How much is a pair of Chinese made Chuck Taylors?
Slim dresses? So how do my chunky female Italian relatives in Italy dress?
Food costs, we don't eat good food in the states by and large. Western Europe is not a third world region.
They love their UHC and would never trade it for ours in the slightest. I've been to Europe many times too, I have plenty of family in Europe and Australia, talk with them all the time and they happen to think our system of health care delivery is ridiculous. And they're correct in that assumption.
Hi, I am in California and by the time you get EBT, Food Stamps, Free Health Care, Money for your children and maybe a section 8 voucher for a place to stay you are so ahead of someone working that why should you work?
I know a family in which the father was making $12 an hour in construction. The lazy wife refused despite the health of the husband to ever work (god forbid).
At one point they claimed abject poverty and we let them stay for a while in a place of mine for a couple of months (MISTAKE). Friend of my wife from long ago when she was a struggling younger person.
First, they make enough on welfare and the system while out of work to pay for a small estate in Mexico, so our welfare pays for estates in Mexico.
Husband gets diabetes. Wife refuses to work and of course decides it's a great time to get pregnant with #3 to keep the welfare gravy trane going.
They hit the mother load, disability. Now they get $24,000 tax free and are living high on the hog while still getting food stamps, EBT, WIC and lord knows what else. The wife bragged to my wife how there will be no more Walmart or Marshalls for her, now the can afford Macys.
My wife and I no longer associate ourselves with those people, but that is what is going on most of the time with the dependent community.
Why work when you get a 40k lifestyle without working. Working would make them poor.
So we need to drastically cut benefits to where not working isn't worth it IMO.
Giving them free Obamacare, and all these other things without working is getting me mad when I see people like this.
So they are making poverty wages and can afford shopping and and estate in Mexico?
No one is living high on the hog at that wage, even with food assistance. But if you say so...
No care for me until after premiums and a $6500 deductible. That is $12,000 a year for NOTHING.
People doing that to us a hundred years ago would have been tared and feathered IMO.
Sounds like you should've picked a different plan that you could afford. No one's fault but your own. No one is forcing you to use the ACA.
Dude... yeah I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
The ACA of California went on radio bragging that most people in the state, over 90% have premiums of under $100 a month.
I established that what that meant for the state regarding earners in CA is that 90% of California has to be earning less than $16,000.
You have to make under 16k to get a $100 or less payment for your healthcare unless you are a child.
So this means over 90% of Californians are pretty close to broke.
In the end the ACA was bragging about how broke California was to get that low payment.
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