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View Poll Results: What level of gun restrictions is right?
I believe private citizens should not be allowed to own firearms (total ban). 7 3.78%
I believe private citizens should have many more restrictions on firearms (no military-style weapons, magazines of a certain size, etc). 37 20.00%
I believe existing gun laws are fine, we just need better enforcement. 70 37.84%
I believe existing gun laws are too restrictive; they should be loosened. 31 16.76%
I believe there should be no laws on firearm ownership, since it is a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment. 40 21.62%
Voters: 185. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-26-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Okay, this time here's my real list! One I spent a lot of time working on since my last list was not acceptable.

Oh if only we had the time and resources to consider them all here! What great strides the pack of three could make!

abortion
abortion clinic access
accountant regulation
adoption tax breaks
affirmative action
aid for republics of former USSR
airline industry
airline ticket tax
Amtrack
ancient forests
anti-ballistic-missile defense
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
balanced-budget amendment
bank regulation
base closings
below-cost timber sales
Bosnia mission
budget resolution
cabinet status for EPA
campaign finance
capital gains tax
capital punishment
census procedures
chemical weapons
child pornography
China trade
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
community development banks
Congressional accountability
Congressional committee & staff
reduction
Congressional ethics
copyright law
corporate welfare
crime
criminal aliens
debt limit
defense conversion
defense spending
disaster relief
domestic workers
drug policy
economic stimulus
elder care tax breaks
election reform
electric power deregulation
Electoral College
elementary and secondary education
endangered species
Endangered Species Act
enterprise zones
environmental regulations
equal rights amendment
exclusionary rule
expanded IRAs
expedited rescission authority
family and medical leave
family preservation
fast-track trade reauthorization
federal lands
fighter plane modernization
financing S&L bailout
flag burning
food and drug regulation
food stamps
foreign aid
foreign intelligence
foreign military command
free speech
free trade
GATT
gays in the military
grazing fees
gun control
Hatch Act
hate speech
Head Start
health care reform
high-performance computing
higher education direct loans
higher education spending
homosexual marriage
housing
immigration
immunization
impeachment
independent counsel
international space station
international terrorism
Internet commerce
Internet pornography
insurance "redlining"
job training
line item veto
lobbying disclosure
loser pays rule
managed health care
maritime industry
marriage penalty tax
Medicaid
Medicare
middle class tax relief
military pay
minimum wage
Mining Law of 1872
NAFTA
national service
National Endowment for the Arts
Native Americans
NIH reauthorization
nuclear waste
out-of-wedlock births
patients’ bill of rights
per child tax credit
peso support
pesticide regulation
policy toward Bosnia
policy toward China
policy toward Cuba
policy toward Iraq
policy toward Serbia
political action committees
prayer in schools
prescription drugs
prison grants
prisoners’ rights
privatizing governmental services
product liability
punitive damages
radio spectrum auctions
reconciliation bill
regulation of "baby-Bells"
rules for gifts to officials
securities regulation
selling National Parks
sex discrimination
sexual harassment in the workplace
sexual misconduct by government
officials
Social Security
software encryption
Star Wars
stealth bomber
striker replacement
superconducting super collider
Superfund
tax cuts
tax increases
tax on social security benefits
telecommunications regulation
telemarketing fraud
television advertising
term limits
terrorism
tobacco regulation
transportation trust funds
truth in sentencing
U.N. dues
U.N. peacekeeping
unemployment compensation
unfunded mandates
value added tax
veterans' benefits
veterans' health
victim impact statements
victim restitution
voter registration
welfare
wilderness areas
workfare

 
Old 01-26-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
Well as we used to say, the people that would not explain their logic, in reality could not explain their logic and it's a truism in 99.999% of cases.

Part of the issue I think is that some of us took at face value claims made, and therefore interrogated them as we would anyone who we have known with the same claim. Those that can walk the walk have no issue with the interrogation, and understand it's purpose, those that can't get defensive and resort to more spurious logic and snide comments in an attempt to cover their lack of depth.

Oh well... sometimes it's wise to consider you might not have the biggest ol' brain in the room, and I've often found that the person with the biggest ol' brain isn't the loudest and chattiest.
Yeah, that's exactly why I like asking questions that can't be googled or linked in some hole-ridden blog. It shows how capable someone is of independent thought, critical thinking skills, etc.

It's pretty revealing when someone can't answer a simple, direct question that can't be googled. Some are able to come up with well-reasoned, intelligent responses. Others have a meltdown, throwing every excuse they can instead. The former is an intelligent person, the latter just thinks they are.

I think the true reason behind the difference is that some people confuse access to information with understanding. Anyone can copy a link, but you KNOW they'd be scrambling for their smartphones if we were all having this conversation in person.

"Correlation coefficient? Hang on, googling that. Wait, standard deviation? Hold on. Measures and dimensions like age cohort? Wait, I'm still on correlation coefficient!"
 
Old 01-26-2016, 06:30 PM
 
46,307 posts, read 27,124,387 times
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Originally Posted by LearnMe View Post
Okay, this time here's my real list! One I spent a lot of time working on since my last list was not acceptable.

Oh if only we had the time and resources to consider them all here! What great strides the pack of three could make!

abortion
abortion clinic access
accountant regulation
adoption tax breaks
affirmative action
aid for republics of former USSR
airline industry
airline ticket tax
Amtrack
ancient forests
anti-ballistic-missile defense
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
balanced-budget amendment
bank regulation
base closings
below-cost timber sales
Bosnia mission
budget resolution
cabinet status for EPA
campaign finance
capital gains tax
capital punishment
census procedures
chemical weapons
child pornography
China trade
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
community development banks
Congressional accountability
Congressional committee & staff
reduction
Congressional ethics
copyright law
corporate welfare
crime
criminal aliens
debt limit
defense conversion
defense spending
disaster relief
domestic workers
drug policy
economic stimulus
elder care tax breaks
election reform
electric power deregulation
Electoral College
elementary and secondary education
endangered species
Endangered Species Act
enterprise zones
environmental regulations
equal rights amendment
exclusionary rule
expanded IRAs
expedited rescission authority
family and medical leave
family preservation
fast-track trade reauthorization
federal lands
fighter plane modernization
financing S&L bailout
flag burning
food and drug regulation
food stamps
foreign aid
foreign intelligence
foreign military command
free speech
free trade
GATT
gays in the military
grazing fees
gun control
Hatch Act
hate speech
Head Start
health care reform
high-performance computing
higher education direct loans
higher education spending
homosexual marriage
housing
immigration
immunization
impeachment
independent counsel
international space station
international terrorism
Internet commerce
Internet pornography
insurance "redlining"
job training
line item veto
lobbying disclosure
loser pays rule
managed health care
maritime industry
marriage penalty tax
Medicaid
Medicare
middle class tax relief
military pay
minimum wage
Mining Law of 1872
NAFTA
national service
National Endowment for the Arts
Native Americans
NIH reauthorization
nuclear waste
out-of-wedlock births
patients’ bill of rights
per child tax credit
peso support
pesticide regulation
policy toward Bosnia
policy toward China
policy toward Cuba
policy toward Iraq
policy toward Serbia
political action committees
prayer in schools
prescription drugs
prison grants
prisoners’ rights
privatizing governmental services
product liability
punitive damages
radio spectrum auctions
reconciliation bill
regulation of "baby-Bells"
rules for gifts to officials
securities regulation
selling National Parks
sex discrimination
sexual harassment in the workplace
sexual misconduct by government
officials
Social Security
software encryption
Star Wars
stealth bomber
striker replacement
superconducting super collider
Superfund
tax cuts
tax increases
tax on social security benefits
telecommunications regulation
telemarketing fraud
television advertising
term limits
terrorism
tobacco regulation
transportation trust funds
truth in sentencing
U.N. dues
U.N. peacekeeping
unemployment compensation
unfunded mandates
value added tax
veterans' benefits
veterans' health
victim impact statements
victim restitution
voter registration
welfare
wilderness areas
workfare

LOL...and which one kills more than guns yearly?


I'd say prescription drugs.....
 
Old 01-26-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
LOL...and which one kills more than guns yearly?


I'd say prescription drugs.....
Ban prescription drugs!!

Really though, nobody cares about his list because he doesn't have one. Pretty pathetic attempt too. Copying Wikipedia, lol.
 
Old 01-26-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
8,278 posts, read 6,278,490 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LearnMe View Post
Okay, this time here's my real list! One I spent a lot of time working on since my last list was not acceptable.

Oh if only we had the time and resources to consider them all here! What great strides the pack of three could make!

abortion
abortion clinic access
accountant regulation
adoption tax breaks
affirmative action
aid for republics of former USSR
airline industry
airline ticket tax
Amtrack
ancient forests
anti-ballistic-missile defense
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
balanced-budget amendment
bank regulation
base closings
below-cost timber sales
Bosnia mission
budget resolution
cabinet status for EPA
campaign finance
capital gains tax
capital punishment
census procedures
chemical weapons
child pornography
China trade
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
community development banks
Congressional accountability
Congressional committee & staff
reduction
Congressional ethics
copyright law
corporate welfare
crime
criminal aliens
debt limit
defense conversion
defense spending
disaster relief
domestic workers
drug policy
economic stimulus
elder care tax breaks
election reform
electric power deregulation
Electoral College
elementary and secondary education
endangered species
Endangered Species Act
enterprise zones
environmental regulations
equal rights amendment
exclusionary rule
expanded IRAs
expedited rescission authority
family and medical leave
family preservation
fast-track trade reauthorization
federal lands
fighter plane modernization
financing S&L bailout
flag burning
food and drug regulation
food stamps
foreign aid
foreign intelligence
foreign military command
free speech
free trade
GATT
gays in the military
grazing fees
gun control
Hatch Act
hate speech
Head Start
health care reform
high-performance computing
higher education direct loans
higher education spending
homosexual marriage
housing
immigration
immunization
impeachment
independent counsel
international space station
international terrorism
Internet commerce
Internet pornography
insurance "redlining"
job training
line item veto
lobbying disclosure
loser pays rule
managed health care
maritime industry
marriage penalty tax
Medicaid
Medicare
middle class tax relief
military pay
minimum wage
Mining Law of 1872
NAFTA
national service
National Endowment for the Arts
Native Americans
NIH reauthorization
nuclear waste
out-of-wedlock births
patients’ bill of rights
per child tax credit
peso support
pesticide regulation
policy toward Bosnia
policy toward China
policy toward Cuba
policy toward Iraq
policy toward Serbia
political action committees
prayer in schools
prescription drugs
prison grants
prisoners’ rights
privatizing governmental services
product liability
punitive damages
radio spectrum auctions
reconciliation bill
regulation of "baby-Bells"
rules for gifts to officials
securities regulation
selling National Parks
sex discrimination
sexual harassment in the workplace
sexual misconduct by government
officials
Social Security
software encryption
Star Wars
stealth bomber
striker replacement
superconducting super collider
Superfund
tax cuts
tax increases
tax on social security benefits
telecommunications regulation
telemarketing fraud
television advertising
term limits
terrorism
tobacco regulation
transportation trust funds
truth in sentencing
U.N. dues
U.N. peacekeeping
unemployment compensation
unfunded mandates
value added tax
veterans' benefits
veterans' health
victim impact statements
victim restitution
voter registration
welfare
wilderness areas
workfare
That's still insufficient unless your priority criteria is which letter begins the item. You missed off Aardvark and Zyxt.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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That's still insufficient unless your priority criteria is which letter begins the item. You missed off Aardvark and Zyxt.
As much time as I spent on that list and still I just knew I was forgetting something!
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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Default And where's your list?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
LOL...and which one kills more than guns yearly?

I'd say prescription drugs.....
You'd say?

As numberfive will no doubt soon object, that's not how it works! You can't use MY list, and you're just pulling this shot at prescription drugs from your arse! You too can't "formulate your own methodology?" Drugs are not the problem! People are! Is that the problem here? You three taking drugs? Instead of all the boot-licking and self-stroking, why can't you just provide your list that shows which of these public policy issues can be addressed with the limited resources we have and which cannot? (I now see you've been referring to financial as well as mental resources btw). Where's your list damn it? You don't belong in this thread if you don't have a list!

Last edited by LearnMe; 01-27-2016 at 09:32 AM..
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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LIST REVISION, if I may...

I know I am not as well versed in the rules and regulations regarding the lists allowed in this thread, but I would like to revise mine as follows:

Move gun control up a couple clicks to just above elder care tax breaks and move prayer in schools to the top of the list and scooch hate speech just under homosexual marriage.

I hope revisions are okay, and I am sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused...
 
Old 01-27-2016, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Any law on weapons, is unconstitutional.
Quote:
Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
THat's just nonsense.
Take almost any substantive any clause of the Constitution and you'll fine dozens of laws that refine and put it into practical use.
But let's give you a situation and see how you react: Any American citizen should be able to carry around an AK-47, including men or women who have pledged allegiance to ISIS.
I made a similar point and asked a similar question in another thread, but I don't recall ever getting an answer. In my case the question was about 6-year-old kids carrying guns, since, technically, children are citizens too. It think it is pretty obviously that the 2nd doesn't apply to kids, so obviously some interpretations and limitations are needed. The question is what limits to apply? I think that not allowing felons to carry guns, or young children, or people who have publicly announced their allegiance to a terrorist agenda, etc., are perfectly reasonable restrictions, and I suspect that most of the founders who originally supported the 2nd Amendment would agree (tho trying to figure out what historical figures would have said about this or that is generally a guessing game - not anything you can fruitfully use in philosophical debates).
 
Old 01-27-2016, 11:52 AM
 
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I made a similar point and asked a similar question in another thread, but I don't recall ever getting an answer. In my case the question was about 6-year-old kids carrying guns, since, technically, children are citizens too. It think it is pretty obviously that the 2nd doesn't apply to kids, so obviously some interpretations and limitations are needed. The question is what limits to apply? I think that not allowing felons to carry guns, or young children, or people who have publicly announced their allegiance to a terrorist agenda, etc., are perfectly reasonable restrictions, and I suspect that most of the founders who originally supported the 2nd Amendment would agree (tho trying to figure out what historical figures would have said about this or that is generally a guessing game - not anything you can fruitfully use in philosophical debates).
I already answered that question in post #179. Only a clueless person would think that way.

On the other hand, not including any kids, why the hell do we allow people, who we don't trust to own firearms, to live outside of prison or hospital? Somehow, we don't trust them to own guns but we trust them to be near our children and to possess knives, hammers, clubs, home made bombs, gasoline, poisons etc. etc. etc.?

That logic is beyond my comprehension.
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