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If the FBI was short sighted and frankly stupid enough to shoot that man and kill him when he was unarmed, well, **** will clobber the fan, not just hit it. One, talk about firing up the Tea Party, Two, gives more ammo to those that think the government is a tyrant that abuses power and Three, I can hear it now, "See that proves that BLM is racist and hates Whites! Why aren't they marching over his death?!' The latter coming from those that twist the colorblind message the wrong way. If Bundy and his thugs are lying, then why is the FBI declining comment on that charge? Plus, if it was a trap stop, being pulled over for something petty like not signaling a turn, well, SMH.
Still waiting on details but sure looks like he took off in the 2nd car and tried to avoid a roadblock.
Where was he going to run?
Then way doesn't the FBI say that he was armed, instead of this "No comment" crap?
They are investigating, would you rather have a quick answer or the right answer. The witnesses indicated they had guns in the car but I don't wee anything indicated he pointed his gun at them.
Tweets from the hearing that took place this afternoon for those arrested last night:
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Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 2m2 minutes ago
Ammon Bundy and 6 co- defendants ordered detained until Friday detention hearing ; judge found each serious risk of flight&danger
Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 49s49 seconds ago
Prosecutors said they'd be afraid alleged co-conspirators would return to Mahleur refuge and 'bunker in' for a last stand #Oregonstandoff
Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 30s30 seconds ago
Ammon Bundy only one of 7 defendants who appeared in court today who had an appointed attorney - others had court appointed #Oregonstandoff
Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 1m1 minute ago
AUSA Ethan Knight cited the 'dynamic situation involving an ongoing armed occupation' as reason not to release defendants #Oregonstandoff
Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 22s22 seconds ago
31page complaint alleges defendants 'by force and while armed impeded federal officers from official duties' at refuge #OregonStandoff
Sounds like he played Mikey Brown. As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
You didn't read the "article" (which was a Facebook post. The "driver"- McConnel, was not in the same vehicle with Finicum - he was "2 football fields ahead of him" ... that's 200 yards. Finicum then attempted to evade the FED's and drove "a mile further" (according to McConnel). That's pretty good distance vision. Odd that McConnel was not listed among those arrested.
Compare that with the 18 year old girl (Victoria Sharp) in the back seat of Finicim's vehicle .... a very different story - also from OregonLive & the same link that Oscar gave us.
Sharp's account
Sharp also shared her story of what unfolded outside of Burns in a YouTube video.
The teenager had traveled to the refuge last week with her mother and six of her siblings to sing religious and patriotic songs. Sharp said she was in the other car -- separate from McConnell -- because she planned to sing at the community meeting in John Day late Tuesday afternoon.
Sharp said that Finicum was driving to the meeting and that Ryan Payne was in the passenger seat. She said she was sitting in the back seat between Ryan Bundy and Shawna Cox.
Sharp didn't immediately return a Facebook message seeking comment.
In a 12-minute audio-only video on YouTube, Sharp said that after they were stopped by police, Payne was trying to get her and Cox safely out of the car when police took their first shot.
"He put his hands out the window, he was trying to talk with them," said Sharp, who was raised in Kansas but lists on her Facebook page that she is currently living in Montana.
"Ryan (Payne) said, 'We have women in the car, let the women out," she said, "He stuck his head out and they shot at him... but they missed him."
Sharp said that they began to realize that the police "meant business" and that Finicum, who was driving, yelled that he was going to continue driving so that he could "talk to the sheriff."
"He drove and we all got down on the floorboards and they just started firing at us, shooting at us a bunch of times," she said, adding that Finicum reached the roadblock and his truck rammed into a snowbank.
With the car running, she said, Finicum "got out of the car and he had his hands in the air and he was like, 'Just shoot me then, just shoot me.'"
"And they did," she said. "They shot him dead."
Sharp said she thought she heard as many as 100 bullets fired and that those remaining in the car were getting "gassed." She said they were trying to find something white they could wave out the window.
Sharp said that while some in the car with her had their guns, she believed that none of the occupiers had attempted to use them. She said Ryan Bundy was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as they were ducking down in the car.
This will be just like Ruby Ridge ('92) - the Weaver Family & the Waco Siege in 1993. The FBI/ATF/DOJ will investigate themselves and issue a long, long report that is mostly redacted.
We will never really know what happened on that stretch of road.
You didn't read the "article" (which was a Facebook post. The "driver"- McConnel, was not in the same vehicle with Finicum - he was "2 football fields ahead of him" ... that's 200 yards. Finicum then attempted to evade the FED's and drove "a mile further" (according to McConnel). That's pretty good distance vision. Odd that McConnel was not listed among those arrested.
Compare that with the 18 year old girl (Victoria Sharp) in the back seat of Finicim's vehicle .... a very different story - also from OregonLive & the same link that Oscar gave us.
Sharp's account
Sharp also shared her story of what unfolded outside of Burns in a YouTube video.
The teenager had traveled to the refuge last week with her mother and six of her siblings to sing religious and patriotic songs. Sharp said she was in the other car -- separate from McConnell -- because she planned to sing at the community meeting in John Day late Tuesday afternoon.
Sharp said that Finicum was driving to the meeting and that Ryan Payne was in the passenger seat. She said she was sitting in the back seat between Ryan Bundy and Shawna Cox.
Sharp didn't immediately return a Facebook message seeking comment.
In a 12-minute audio-only video on YouTube, Sharp said that after they were stopped by police, Payne was trying to get her and Cox safely out of the car when police took their first shot.
"He put his hands out the window, he was trying to talk with them," said Sharp, who was raised in Kansas but lists on her Facebook page that she is currently living in Montana.
"Ryan (Payne) said, 'We have women in the car, let the women out," she said, "He stuck his head out and they shot at him... but they missed him."
Sharp said that they began to realize that the police "meant business" and that Finicum, who was driving, yelled that he was going to continue driving so that he could "talk to the sheriff."
"He drove and we all got down on the floorboards and they just started firing at us, shooting at us a bunch of times," she said, adding that Finicum reached the roadblock and his truck rammed into a snowbank.
With the car running, she said, Finicum "got out of the car and he had his hands in the air and he was like, 'Just shoot me then, just shoot me.'"
"And they did," she said. "They shot him dead."
Sharp said she thought she heard as many as 100 bullets fired and that those remaining in the car were getting "gassed." She said they were trying to find something white they could wave out the window.
Sharp said that while some in the car with her had their guns, she believed that none of the occupiers had attempted to use them. She said Ryan Bundy was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as they were ducking down in the car.
This will be just like Ruby Ridge ('92) - the Weaver Family & the Waco Siege in 1993. The FBI/ATF/DOJ will investigate themselves and issue a long, long report that is mostly redacted.
We will never really know what happened on that stretch of road.
Who cares? They were all terrorists and traitors. They should have just gunned down the lot of them and saved the taxpayers the expense of giving them a fair trial and a country club life in a federal prison.
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