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Old 02-07-2008, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, TN
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Would you be willing to pay, for 18 (or more) years the full cost of a child if a mother decided to not abort?
Me and my husband decided not to abort our two children. And dammit the world should pay for our kids clothes, food and college education!

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Would you be willing to adopt children, no matter how many there are?
I would love to adopt children if I could afford it. However, saying I MUST adopt because of someone else's irresponsible behavior is wrong.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, TN
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There are plenty of children waiting for adoption. What's the holdup...
Money Honey. I don't have $25,000 - $50,000 to adopt

Otherwise I would LOVE too
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:08 AM
 
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But the right to kill an unborn child isn't an enumerated right, so it would fall to the states.
Unenumerated rights are retained not by the states, but by the people. It is only unenumerated powers that are reserved to the states, or to the people.

Meanwhile, the two basic human rights that the Bill of Rights provides specificity to are the right to a free conscience, and the right to be left alone. Absent the establishment of a valid and compelling state interest, these rights may not be violated by any legislature -- local, state, or federal.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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I'm curious for people who don't believe in abortion no matter what.

What if your wife or you were pregnant. Science has PROVEN that being Gay is genetic and they have come up with a test to be done prior to birth.

If you found out your son or daughter was going to be born Gay, what would you do?

Keeping in mind that science has proven its genetic, like having blue eyes or being tall or short. No amount of counseling would change it.
What kind of nonsense is this? Just because I am opposed to abortion means that I have a problem with gay people? That's a disgusting assumption.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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If you subsidize something, you get more of it. If there was an offer to pay a bounty of sorts, everyone would claim they didn't want their child and be even more careless about getting pregnant seeing how the financial responsibility would be lifted.

Adoption is the alternative. There are plenty of families who want to adopt babies.
if that were true, why are there so many kids in orphanages?
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Unenumerated rights are retained not by the states, but by the people. It is only unenumerated powers that are reserved to the states, or to the people.

Meanwhile, the two basic human rights that the Bill of Rights provides specificity to are the right to a free conscience, and the right to be left alone. Absent the establishment of a valid and compelling state interest, these rights may not be violated by any legislature -- local, state, or federal.
And it's been argued many times in many threads... it comes down to when does human life begin, and when does human life get protection of its rights, and do you get full protection or is it partial based upon age.

We don't need to get into the debates as to what those answers are in this debate, but it's short sighted not to recognize that if you feel human life begins at conception, that the rights of the baby are arugably being violated and require protection.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:11 AM
 
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Lol, I guess you are trying to find out if people who oppose abortion are okay with murdering gays???

If me and my wife have a kid that turns out gay, I won't be happy about it. Just like I wouldn't be happy if they turned out to have uncontrollable anger or other genetic issues. I guess people should embrace children with uncontrollable rage? No need to think there is anything wrong with it, maybe they are happy being angry all the time.

I still don't buy that being gay is a genetic thing. If it is, its a deviance from normal. Otherwise, it would not procreate and would therefor be nothing but an exceptional rarity such as albinos.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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if that were true, why are there so many kids in orphanages?
Usually they have been given up as older children or the parents had their rights terminated as older children. Older children are harder to place no question, but babies are very easily placed. Many people wait years to adopt an infant and many are unable to at all. twojciac is right, adoption is almost always a viable option to abortion.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:13 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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if that were true, why are there so many kids in orphanages?
Find me a baby in an orphanage. Seriously... I know two families who want to adopt.

Older children are in foster homes and have a problem being placed. They are taken away from their parents for various reasons, or due to the death of a single parent, etc. They're harder to place because they are older... but that's a different topic for a different thread.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:20 AM
 
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Really? Have you tried? My sister has been waiting for 18 months for any baby... race isn't an issue. I've got a friend whose wife can't get pregnant due to her migrane medication she has to take, they've been waiting 11 months now. Neither one has had any luck yet.
Children Awaiting Parents (http://www.capbook.org/gallery.php?category=6 - broken link)

Wednesday's Child (http://adopt.org/servlet/page?_pageid=289&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30 - broken link)

A Child's Waiting
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