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Single payer or "Medicare for all" works as long as everyone (or most everyone) is willing to contribute.
Everyone in Germany making between 20-80k pays 8% of their income taxes into the Germany single payer system. The employer pays 7.5%. Essentially a 15.5% health tax.
Can the Democrats (especially Bernie Sanders) convince most of their voting base that they will end up paying MORE under a universal care system?
Germany is fair. Those who make more pay into the system but can opt into a private system.
What the psychological makeup of the US voters especially Democratic US voters is they want to make the other guy pay.
Sorry it just doesn't work this way.
Increase taxes for the vast majority of people. You can have your single payer system.
Single payer or "Medicare for all" works as long as everyone (or most everyone) is willing to contribute.
Everyone in Germany making between 20-80k pays 8% of their income taxes into the Germany single payer system. The employer pays 7.5%. Essentially a 15.5% health tax.
Can the Democrats (especially Bernie Sanders) convince most of their voting base that they will end up paying MORE under a universal care system?
Germany is fair. Those who make more pay into the system but can opt into a private system.
What the psychological makeup of the US voters especially Democratic US voters is they want to make the other guy pay.
Sorry it just doesn't work this way.
Increase taxes for the vast majority of people. You can have your single payer system.
Exactly. Every country that has any type of UHC has a tax structure far more regressive. Pelosi once made it clear that anything that raised taxes on her voters was off the table. If we had UHC, the same private companies would handle the paperwork. UHC would we be a gold mine to the big guys. The reason we don't is because the progressive leaders will never let it happen.
Exactly. Every country that has any type of UHC has a tax structure far more regressive. Pelosi once made it clear that anything that raised taxes on her voters was off the table. If we had UHC, the same private companies would handle the paperwork. UHC would we be a gold mine to the big guys. The reason we don't is because the progressive leaders will never let it happen.
We've told them that time and time again, even posting links that prove it. They refuse to believe it. It's like they've been brainwashed.
We've told them that time and time again, even posting links that prove it. They refuse to believe it. It's like they've been brainwashed.
Progressive have indeed been brain wash. They hated the bush tax cuts. Just hated it. Said it contributes to further debt. Yet when it came time to let it sunset. They blinked. They kept it for their voting tax base.
How hypocritical can liberals be? Say bush tax cuts reduce revenue. But kept the bush tax cuts for 98% of the population. It doesn't take a genius to realize keeping 98% of the bush tax cuts doesn't exactly help with the short fall in tax revenue.
Single payer or "Medicare for all" works as long as everyone (or most everyone) is willing to contribute.
Everyone in Germany making between 20-80k pays 8% of their income taxes into the Germany single payer system. The employer pays 7.5%. Essentially a 15.5% health tax.
In the USA as of 2014:
Average employee portion for a medical plan for the whole family in 2014 = $4518 (probably around 5000 in 2015. Then add deductibles and co-pays.
For family making 45k a year that is a lot of money:
4518/45000 = 10%
I would say that 10% of 45k is more than the 8% tax.
My family plan's full cost is over $24k. This doesn't include co-pays or prescription deductibles. My employer pays a large portion but the employee contribution is still substantial. It is inconceivable that a plan that is nearly 50% of the gross median household income is considered affordable or sustainable.
Single payer or "Medicare for all" works as long as everyone (or most everyone) is willing to contribute.
It will take more than that.
It will take 100% of doctors accepting Medicare-for-All rates and that won't happen.
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Originally Posted by aneftp
Everyone in Germany making between 20-80k pays 8% of their income taxes into the Germany single payer system. The employer pays 7.5%. Essentially a 15.5% health tax.
Yet Germany rations healthcare.
And then there's the matter of future unfunded liabilities for Germany (and all EU States). The need to increase taxes to continue funding Social Welfare programs is very real.
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