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Old 04-28-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Because, obviously, an army of wannabee environmental bureaucrats would have to take their plans for somebody else's tax dollars elsewhere; they might even have to get a real job at the wages their "expertise" commands which, (obviously) ain't much.
Thank you for admitting that climate change is actually an economic issue for you, instead of a scientific issue. It's the same for 90% of the denialists on this forum. The other 10% only pop up on threads like this one, as that is what they get paid to do.

You know, industry shills posting junk science.
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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..... and ice in Antartica is increasing.......

Isolated observations do not constitute collective "data", nor does one assume that the ONE AND ONLY CAUSE of any changes in ice is....................... you guessed it................. CO2!

The CO2 response for the AGW crowd is the "explanation" for everything. It is like saying that "Satan" is causing the changes.
A small correction: The sea ice in Antartica has shown an increase while the land ice in Antartica has shown an overall loss. The southern ocean has shown a higher warming trend as compared to other oceans by a few tenths of a degree per decade over the last few decades.
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I hate N power. I've had too many family members die from radiation exposure to like it.
You can hate nuclear power all you like, but every other source of electricity kills more people than nuclear. That includes hydroelectric, wind and solar. The USSR and Communist nations were criminally irresponsible with nuclear plants. Early nuclear tech in the West was highly flawed as well. But modern nuclear tech is the safest power source by miles. Fewer deaths than any other power source. Less toxic waste than even solar. New technologies like breeder reactors that convert what would have been nuclear waste into new fuel. And nuclear tech has advanced by leaps and bounds at figuring out how to generate as close to zero toxic waste as possible.

Nuclear power scares people. That's the single biggest reason we haven't converted over to it completely.

You're welcome to share your story though. Your saying that a lot of your family members died from radiation exposure from nuclear plants? Sorry to hear it. Where and when did it happen. Family from near Chernobyl?
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Old 04-29-2016, 03:55 AM
 
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You can hate nuclear power all you like, but every other source of electricity kills more people than nuclear. That includes hydroelectric, wind and solar. The USSR and Communist nations were criminally irresponsible with nuclear plants. Early nuclear tech in the West was highly flawed as well. But modern nuclear tech is the safest power source by miles. Fewer deaths than any other power source. Less toxic waste than even solar. New technologies like breeder reactors that convert what would have been nuclear waste into new fuel. And nuclear tech has advanced by leaps and bounds at figuring out how to generate as close to zero toxic waste as possible.

Nuclear power scares people. That's the single biggest reason we haven't converted over to it completely.

You're welcome to share your story though. Your saying that a lot of your family members died from radiation exposure from nuclear plants? Sorry to hear it. Where and when did it happen. Family from near Chernobyl?
Or Fukushima?


Fukushima Accident - World Nuclear Association
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:23 AM
 
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Shinto priests in Japan began record-keeping of the freeze dates of a nearby lake, in 1442, while in 1693 Finnish merchants started recording ice breakup dates on the Torne River.

Note the attempt to skew data for the dates of ice freeze on the chart below

http://www.nature.com/article-assets...ep25061-f1.jpg

Direct observations of ice seasonality reveal changes in climate over the past 320
I certainly noticed how you deliberately misrepresented the paper with your title and your false claim of scientists skewing data.

But thank you for presenting a link so people can read for themselves and note your dishonesty.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Take a look at the ice in and around Greenland. We have good pictures for the past 30 years or so. The ice is going away. That is big trouble if you live close to sea level. And a big % of our world's population does just that.
Uh-huh and what happened during the last Inter-Glacial Period?

The entire Greenland Ice Sheet nearly melted away.


The only thing you're witnessing is the normal progression of an Inter-Glacial Period.

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Studies of the geological past provide valuable information on the long-term response of the GrIS to warm periods. The last interglacial period, the Eemian, is considered the warmest period of the past 150 thousand years (Jansen et al.,2007).

Temperatures on and around Greenland were 0–5◦C higher than today (Axford et al.,2011; CAPE members, 2006; Otto-Bliesner et al.,2006).
Deal with it.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I certainly noticed how you deliberately misrepresented the paper with your title and your false claim of scientists skewing data.
Did you, look at data points on the graph? Obviously not.





Maybe you don't know how to read the graphs, well, that's understandable.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Did you, look at data points on the graph? Obviously not.





Maybe you don't know how to read the graphs, well, that's understandable.
Did you actually read the paper? Obviously not, because you don't know how to read the graphs and you misrepresented what the authors wrote. Oh well that's understandable.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Uh-huh and what happened during the last Inter-Glacial Period?

The entire Greenland Ice Sheet nearly melted away.


The only thing you're witnessing is the normal progression of an Inter-Glacial Period.



Deal with it.
No, the entire Greenland ice cap did not "nearly melt away" during the Eemian period....Not even close.

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/20...d_topo_ice.jpg
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Old 04-29-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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Did you actually read the paper? Obviously not, because you don't know how to read the graphs and you misrepresented what the authors wrote. Oh well that's understandable.


That analysis is called "a regression analysis" (for those who have never published such data in the literature). I am familiar with this analysis, as one of my papers evaluating the relationship between serum osmolality and cererbal edema in a tumor model used this very same analysis. The "r" value that more closely approximates .99 suggests a strong correlation.

The latter portion of the graph with the regression analysis is clearly fudged.

As per usual, I would not expect the AGW cult members to understand any analysis of data, as they have no training and would be expected not to know such things (despite the fact that they claim superlative expertise in all things scientific).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_analysis
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