Winters have been warming since the Little Ice Age (global warming, revolution, economic)
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Shinto priests in Japan began record-keeping of the freeze dates of a nearby lake, in 1442, while in 1693 Finnish merchants started recording ice breakup dates on the Torne River.
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Lake and river ice seasonality (dates of ice freeze and breakup) responds sensitively to climatic change and variability. We analyzed climate-related changes using direct human observations of ice freeze dates (1443–2014) for Lake Suwa, Japan, and of ice breakup dates (1693–2013) for Torne River, Finland.
Note the attempt to skew data for the dates of ice freeze on the chart below
Shinto priests in Japan began record-keeping of the freeze dates of a nearby lake, in 1442, while in 1693 Finnish merchants started recording ice breakup dates on the Torne River.
Note the attempt to skew data for the dates of ice freeze on the chart below
I hate to break it to you, but we are well beyond arguing over whether its AGW or just GW. It's real. It's here and its yours and my problem! What is so hard to understand about that? As we speak the Marshall Island's are being evacuated. Why? Because they will be underwater in less than a decade. The Navy is unable to argue that people are not drowning in the lower lying areas of a U.S. Territory! They would love to be able to turn their backs on the natives and deny that their concerns are valid.
Long before the temperature rise and the resulting oceanic and atmospheric instability make human life unsupportable, the economic and political instability caused by crop failures, property damage from meteorological events and etc. will precipitate war and/or civil unrest significant enough to threaten National Security. Long before that it will threaten economic growth and the profit schemes of the 1%. You should worry when that starts becoming evident. It will be in your lifetime.
I really cannot fathom the point of a thread like this at this point in time. Really? It's not our fault so we should just continue burning fossil fuels and raising the temperature of the atmosphere further because ... it's happening anyway? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. That kind of naive fatalism had a place in the Middle Ages when we thought the world was flat.
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I hate to break it to you, but we are well beyond arguing over whether its AGW or just GW. It's real. It's here and its yours and my problem! What is so hard to understand about that? As we speak the Marshall Island's are being evacuated. Why? Because they will be underwater in less than a decade. The Navy is unable to argue that people are not drowning in the lower lying areas of a U.S. Territory! They would love to be able to turn their backs on the natives and deny that their concerns are valid.
Long before the temperature rise and the resulting oceanic and atmospheric instability make human life unsupportable, the economic and political instability caused by crop failures, property damage from meteorological events and etc. will precipitate war and/or civil unrest significant enough to threaten National Security. Long before that it will threaten economic growth and the profit schemes of the 1%. You should worry when that starts becoming evident. It will be in your lifetime.
I really cannot fathom the point of a thread like this at this point in time. Really? It's not our fault so we should just continue burning fossil fuels and raising the temperature of the atmosphere further because ... it's happening anyway? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. That kind of naive fatalism had a place in the Middle Ages when we thought the world was flat.
What kind of genius would drown because of global warming? How could they not notice the wet feet? Question to Leisesturm-Do you think the warmer earth is bad for mankind? Would it be better if we had approaching glaciers? Because it is either or and has always been that way.
Before the "little ice age" is was warm...then it got cold...then it got warmer....it's what our planet does. We have NO control over it.
Where exactly do you want our "climate" to be? Should we have a "dust bowl" like in the 20's and 30's???? Would you like most of the East Coast to be covered by glacial ice like it was about 10 centuries ago????
This whole "climate" thing is ridiculous. It is what it is...we are smart enough to adapt to our slowly changing climate!
The fact of the matter is the trend has been sharply upward since the early 20th century. What happened around that time? The industrial revolution, when we started pumping fossil fuels that were left undisturbed for millions of years into the atmosphere. People who believe in AGW accept that warming does occur and has occurred naturally, but the rate in which the planet is warming now is anything but natural.
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