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Old 05-02-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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All societies require some contribution from its members. Unless you are a truly solitary living species that has zero interaction with other members of your species.
That's true but a civilized society should not put a gun on people's heads and force them to raise other people's children.

A civilized society should also hold people accountable when they produce children they can't afford to raise on their own.

 
Old 05-02-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Why do some folks defend the elite greedy business leaders that want to increase the bottom line at all times.
Why do some folks defend those who want unlimited hand-outs from the taxpayers or the society for their own selfishness and inability?
 
Old 05-02-2016, 08:28 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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Why do some folks defend the elite greedy business leaders that want to increase the bottom line at all times.
Why don't you run your own company and let us know how that goes? You clearly don't know anything about how much effort companies make to stay afloat when there are competing businesses fighting for the same market share. Money is needed for developing new products and services and advertising. Then money is needed for payroll and operations (real estate rents and utilities).

And about any "profits", don't forget that most large companies have stockholders, and they want to be paid dividends in return for their investment in these companies? And are stockholders being greedy? What about the retirement funds that everyone is encouraged to have? These retirement funds are all counting on the dividends from their stockholder shares to make their retirement funds grow. So ALL of us actually NEED these savvy business leaders that you are calling "elite and greedy".
 
Old 05-02-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Why don't you run your own company and let us know how that goes? You clearly don't know anything about how much effort companies make to stay afloat when there are competing businesses fighting for the same market share. Money is needed for developing new products and services and advertising. Then money is needed for payroll and operations (real estate rents and utilities).

And about any "profits", don't forget that most large companies have stockholders, and they want to be paid dividends in return for their investment in these companies? And are stockholders being greedy? What about the retirement funds that everyone is encouraged to have? These retirement funds are all counting on the dividends from their stockholder shares to make their retirement funds grow. So ALL of us actually NEED these savvy business leaders that you are calling "elite and greedy".
I wouldn't expect a communist to understand economy or personal responsibility. I think you are "flirting with a cow."
 
Old 05-02-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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Actually,women can go back to work 5 days after giving birth.

Most of the mothers in 3rd world countries do,so what makes American mothers different?

Bond with the child after work.
It's really up to the individual. A month may be more reasonable.


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Old 05-02-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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Why do some folks defend the elite greedy business leaders that want to increase the bottom line at all times.
By the way, those elite greedy business leaders have built virtually everything we enjoy today. From toilet paper to all the medical devices, procedures and medicines.

Before you criticize those greedy elites again, you really should look around and see how much they have done for us. Without their greed, we would still be sucking mud water like cows.

I'd challenge you to name one thing that's not provided by the greedy elites.
 
Old 05-02-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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It should just fall under medical leave and anything beyond that would be using one's earned time/vacation time or unpaid extra time. A special designation can be a problem as it is a perk afforded to some but not all employees. The reason doesn't matter.


I recall parents doing a lot of complaining that they had to use earned time for things related to their kids. They could complain that children are the future, etc, about any family issue to try to get free time off and it just doesn't work like that.


It isn't an issue of "jealousy", it is an issue of fairness, equal pay and benefits.
Seems like such a simple concept, doesn't it? But in today's entitled society, some people are always looking for special treatment and like to play the victim.
 
Old 05-02-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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That's true but a civilized society should not put a gun on people's heads and force them to raise other people's children.

A civilized society should also hold people accountable when they produce children they can't afford to raise on their own.
We are not there yet. There are Neanderthals and uncivilized folks in both sides of the political spectrum.
 
Old 05-02-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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By the way, those elite greedy business leaders have built virtually everything we enjoy today. From toilet paper to all the medical devices, procedures and medicines.

Before you criticize those greedy elites again, you really should look around and see how much they have done for us. Without their greed, we would still be sucking mud water like cows.

I'd challenge you to name one thing that's not provided by the greedy elites.
I actually love good old fashion capitalism where creativity and productivity is highly rewarded. The only way to success is capitalism.

However, I am 100% against crony capitalism and excessive greed. The latter generally leads to bad things such as the downturn of American cars i the 70s and 80s.
 
Old 05-02-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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And about any "profits", don't forget that most large companies have stockholders, and they want to be paid dividends in return for their investment in these companies? And are stockholders being greedy?
Yes, there is greed. That is why Wall Mart pays low salaries to the employees despite making 20 billion a year in profits. The stockholders want the most out of the investment and hence the employees slave away for minimum wage.


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What about the retirement funds that everyone is encouraged to have? These retirement funds are all counting on the dividends from their stockholder shares to make their retirement funds grow. So ALL of us actually NEED these savvy business leaders that you are calling "elite and greedy".
I have no issue with sound honest business, but I detest the elite business folks that threw the US into a recession in 2008 where many folks lost their homes and their entire pension plans. Excessive greed generally causes trouble!
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