Emphasis on race and crime are counterproductive. (unemployment, enemy, generations)

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Propulser

I read your "post" and highlighted the part of it I responded to in red. It remains a scandalous lie and I call you out to retract and apologize to America for your SLANDER. Since you didn't even note that I had highlighted in Red the phrase I responded to, it is obvious that you are the one that didn't read.

"What happened instead was a continued effort through most of the 20th century to ensure that the black community could never achieve equality, even as a separate entity."

Sorry, that's the truth. And I was there to personally witness part of it.

[xray731]

Well I'll second propulser's objection to what you wrote. Dems / libs and even republicans have instituted many programs to help blacks succeed - even ill conceived ones like Ebonics which to me was more of an insult to them.

I believe that crime does have a relation to poverty - but the breakdown of the family unit to me is the biggest contributor.
Most black families I know have 2 parents who are hardworking and instill values in their kids. Back in the day, I worked at the hospital with a few single black mothers who took no BS, expected respect and good grades from their kids ect.. but we'd often talk about other kids in their neighborhoods - who's single moms just didn't give a wooden nickel. Kids are kids and want to be accepted - and these moms I knew had their hands full keeping their own children on the straight and narrow. I give them the utmost respect and their children grew up as responsible adults.

The lack of structure, parental involvement, drugs - where you can make more $$ selling than by actually working, and the fact that the music culture so heavily influences these kids has added to the divide. Heck their idols are former convicts and drug dealers - now rappers.

Obama and his friends could have had a much greater influence by demonstrating the self worth achievements that can be made rather than liking a hoodlum as someone who could have been his son.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by xray731

Well I'll second propulser's objection to what you wrote. Dems / libs and even republicans have instituted many programs to help blacks succeed - even ill conceived ones like Ebonics which to me was more of an insult to them.

I believe that crime does have a relation to poverty - but the breakdown of the family unit to me is the biggest contributor.
Most black families I know have 2 parents who are hardworking and instill values in their kids. Back in the day, I worked at the hospital with a few single black mothers who took no BS, expected respect and good grades from their kids ect.. but we'd often talk about other kids in their neighborhoods - who's single moms just didn't give a wooden nickel. Kids are kids and want to be accepted - and these moms I knew had their hands full keeping their own children on the straight and narrow. I give them the utmost respect and their children grew up as responsible adults.

The lack of structure, parental involvement, drugs - where you can make more $$ selling than by actually working, and the fact that the music culture so heavily influences these kids has added to the divide. Heck their idols are former convicts and drug dealers - now rappers.

Obama and his friends could have had a much greater influence by demonstrating the self worth achievements that can be made rather than liking a hoodlum as someone who could have been his son.

There seems to be some basic math deficiency in understanding what "most of the 20th century" means.

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by xray731

Well I'll second propulser's objection to what you wrote. Dems / libs and even republicans have instituted many programs to help blacks succeed - even ill conceived ones like Ebonics which to me was more of an insult to them.

I believe that crime does have a relation to poverty - but the breakdown of the family unit to me is the biggest contributor.
Most black families I know have 2 parents who are hardworking and instill values in their kids. Back in the day, I worked at the hospital with a few single black mothers who took no BS, expected respect and good grades from their kids ect.. but we'd often talk about other kids in their neighborhoods - who's single moms just didn't give a wooden nickel. Kids are kids and want to be accepted - and these moms I knew had their hands full keeping their own children on the straight and narrow. I give them the utmost respect and their children grew up as responsible adults.

The lack of structure, parental involvement, drugs - where you can make more $$ selling than by actually working, and the fact that the music culture so heavily influences these kids has added to the divide. Heck their idols are former convicts and drug dealers - now rappers.

Obama and his friends could have had a much greater influence by demonstrating the self worth achievements that can be made rather than liking a hoodlum as someone who could have been his son.

If it weren't so sad it would actually be funny watching all this angst over the black problem in America and the migrant problem in Europe, by Americans who have been left for dead by the 1% but have too much white privilege to even realize they have been gut shot and are bleeding to death as we speak. Bye!

[The Dark Enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

... had white society actually treated blacks with the level of "benign neglect"--that is, true "separate but equal" status-- enjoyed by Asians during the 20th century, the situation would have been very much different. What happened instead was a continued effort through most of the 20th century to ensure that the black community could never achieve equality, even as a separate entity.

Excellent point, blacks would achieve at the same level as Asians if only the white man would stop keeping them down! We see so much evidence for this outside the United States. Just look to the continents of Africa and Asia and countries where blacks and Asians are able to run their affairs without interference from whites. There is no difference in the level of accomplishment! Go to Zimbabwe and see what Africans have accomplished since ridding themselves of the white menace. Seoul and Tokyo have nothing on Harare.

[The Dark Enlightenment]

Originally Posted by branh0913

I don't believe you need a high IQ to do things like mathematics or understand science which are the most complicated careers you can have

And believing something is what matters, facts be damned, especially when it comes to math and science.

[Propulser]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

"What happened instead was a continued effort through most of the 20th century to ensure that the black community could never achieve equality, even as a separate entity."

Sorry, that's the truth. And I was there to personally witness part of it.

I've been around to see JFK in Dallas, and before, so I've pretty-much seen it all.

But you are correct to an extent - there was one faction of America that attempted to keep blacks from achieving success, and that had that as their central theme. Faction was, and continues to be, the Democrat Party.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

I'm getting a little annoyed with this constant conflation of Black with Hispanic and Asian with White. There is nothing inherently "similar" between blacks and latinos. Or between white and asian for that matter. It should, in fact, concern white people more that in many coveted job titles Asians outcompete whites by a huge factor. But that's not my fight. It does concern me that many employers only hire Hispanics, and if you don't think that it takes employment to create wealth and escape poverty well it might explain the existence of threads like this.

"It should, in fact, concern white people more that in many coveted job titles Asians outcompete whites by a huge factor."

Good on them!


Jews are wealthier and better educated than other whites.


Good on them too!


Care to guess what Asians and Jews have in common?

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

"What happened instead was a continued effort through most of the 20th century to ensure that the black community could never achieve equality, even as a separate entity."

Sorry, that's the truth. And I was there to personally witness part of it.

The "black community" is composed of many individuals making independent choices.


Those choices are not the result of a grand conspiracy by whites to prevent blacks achieving equality.


The choice to consistently score low on standardized tests like the SAT is a choice to inadequately prepare for the test ahead of time.


How does any white person prevent a black test taker from preparing for a test?


How does a white person keep a black father away from his children and the mother of his children if he is committed to being a dedicated father?


How does a white person cause a black male to kill another black male?




What prevents blacks from achieving equality is black behavior.

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by momonkey

The choice to consistently score low on standardized tests like the SAT is ahoice to inadequately prepare for the test ahead of time.

Or is it possibly an under-performing middle school? You know, the ones that don't pass the most lenient of building codes and whose yearly budget is less than the monthly budget of the white school in the next district?

Originally Posted by momonkey

How does any white person prevent a black test taker from preparing for a test?

Maybe by issuing two week suspensions for stupid school stuff that everyone does but only the black kids get suspended for? Just a couple of those in one term could put a student hopelessly behind schedule.

Originally Posted by momonkey

How does a white person keep a black father away from his children and the mother of his children if he is committed to being a dedicated father?

I don't know... "25 to life" is pretty persuasive. This obssession with black single mothers should stop. There are FAR more white single mothers for all kinds of reasons... divorce being number one, but also suicide, illness, accident... there are TONS more white single mothers than black ones because there are TONS more white mothers period. If being a single mother was a fatal condition the white race would be extinct! So enough. Please. Thank you.

Originally Posted by momonkey

How does a white person cause a black male to kill another black male?

You've got me there <hangs head>... but... (see below)

Originally Posted by momonkey

What prevents blacks from achieving equality is black behavior.

How you get there from your setup is total FAIL. I'm not going to convince you, armed as you are with your stockpile of canned race baited tropes. I will just repeat my new mantra: "enjoy the superiority while it lasts". Although not obvious to those with blinders, the arcs that define overall longevity and success for the major groups in America are rising for all, except the one for middle and lower middle class whites. Unless I way miss my guess, that would be the one that most closely aligns with the typical C-D conservative.