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Living next to poor people freaks suburbanites out who then move further out opening up space in the suburbs for more poor and space in the inner city for more hipsters. Win - Win
The suburbs are becoming the new ghettos. Nah, actually it has more to do with the cost of real estate and the availability of real estate. The era of finding cheap land to build low income housing in urban areas has come to an end, plus the US has spent the past 100 years expanding the suburbs to where it now dominates where we live. So when looking for places to put low income houses, we are left with the suburbs being the best option.
I worked for many years for housing authorities as a consultant and as an employee.
FYI, Housing Choice Voucher residents (HCV is now what they call Section 8) has been in suburban communities for 20+ years now. It is not a new thing that Obama started.
On the OP, it improves outcomes by de-concentrating poverty and crime. There have been studies done over the decades that have shown that those children especially who are HCV residents benefit from a better education and better social outcomes by not growing up in poverty stricken, urban communities.
De-concentrating poverty in this way has also caused crime to decrease in practically every major urban area since the mid to late 1990s.
It does work.
That doesn't sound bad. I wouldn't have a problem with 1-2 section 8 hours in a neighborhood of 50+ houses. But what I think a lot of people worry about is suddenly 20% of the neighborhood is section 8.
On the idea that it moves poor people out for urban liberal gentrifiers, a majority of HCV residents still live and will continue to live in inner city urban areas because the government cannot tell them where they have to live. They chose their apartment/home themselves.
Many want the opportunity to live in the burbs and I'll speak from a personal perspective as a black person in the Midwest since Indentured Servant mentioned MI, but in the Midwest a lot of poor people think that living in the suburbs is "better" than living in the city for various reasons. So if they are given a voucher, they look for a suburban area.
Also HCV has nothing to do with gentrification since the residents nor the government own the homes where HCV residents live. They are privately owned. The raising of rents in inner cities can have an affect on HCV residents whereby their voucher will not cover enough of the rent for them to live in "hot" neighborhoods, but in general HCV has nothing to do with gentrification. It has more to do with the buying and selling of properties and landlords subsequently raising rents. HCV does not contribute to gentrification of inner city neighborhoods.
You don't have to be a black person to see that. A lot of cities have downtowns that look rundown, unsafe, and have a lot of those who need help hanging around...as that is where the majority of the welfare centers are located.
The suburbs is where the nicer life is...in some cases it's quieter, some places aren't because some people can't leave what made their old neighborhood a garbage dump behind in their old neighborhood...but yes, those people pick their own places to live. You CAN choose from a listing of places, but you can also choose your own. If the people choose to live in the suburbs, it's not because the government told them that they have to live there.
Obama's newest social project is to expand Section 8 out to the suburbs and exurbs with the idea being that doing so will improve the outcomes of the program participants. What is not clear to me is how this improvement will supposedly happen. Is success and achievement something that is in the water? Or perhaps success is similar to a communicable disease in that it can be transmitted through the air or bodily fluids? Maybe we will soon be forced to have sex with Section 8 recipients so that the successful genes can be injected into the Section 8 gene pool.
We all know that this program is Obama's way of punishing white flight. I just think it is amusing how there is absolutely no logical explanation as to how this would improve anything. Apparently being around white people will improve through osmosis or magic.
How does keeping all the poor folks living together help things?
It's pretty simple. Obama wants suburban wealth for inner city problems.
Read: Spreading The Wealth: How Obama is Robbing the Suburbs To Pay For The Cities
"As for the basics, the president plans to abolish the suburbs in three gradual steps: 1. Force suburban residents into densely packed cities by blocking development in the outskirts of metropolitan areas, and then discourage driving with a blizzard of taxes, fees and regulations. 2. Move the poor out of the cities by imposing low-income housing quotas. 3. Export a “regional tax-base sharing” scheme whereby a portion of the money flows into a common regional pot, “redistributed to urban and a few “less well off outer ring suburbs.”
How does keeping all the poor folks living together help things?
No one is keeping them together. It's a free country. All they have to do is study, work hard and stay out of trouble so they can succeed and move wherever they want. Letting the government play social games is not the answer. An unmotivated low life will remain an unmotivated low life whether they live on the South side of Chicago or on the elite North Shore.
I worked for many years for housing authorities as a consultant and as an employee.
FYI, Housing Choice Voucher residents (HCV is now what they call Section 8) has been in suburban communities for 20+ years now. It is not a new thing that Obama started.
On the OP, it improves outcomes by de-concentrating poverty and crime. There have been studies done over the decades that have shown that those children especially who are HCV residents benefit from a better education and better social outcomes by not growing up in poverty stricken, urban communities.
De-concentrating poverty in this way has also caused crime to decrease in practically every major urban area since the mid to late 1990s.
It does work.
This. End the war on drugs and see more of an improvement.
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