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Old 06-14-2016, 01:12 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Another one who thinks Trump owns factories in China. We really do have some of the dumbest people on the planet in this country. hahahahahaha
Like those who assume 'factories in China' were mentioned when the reality is that only companies and guest workers were?
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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we are hypocrates,we want americans to have jobs but when comes time to buy something we drive straight to the nearest walmart.do you think you're going to buy an american made shirt for $15?? you can take any product you now buy and easily quadruple it price.
That's already been disproven more than once in this thread but don't let that stop you.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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If we actually made everything in the states it would create more jobs and more trade schools. But it would cause more pollution.
Uh; I DON'T agree since pollution control technology is real good these days, you gotta remember the US pretty much got the ball rolling even on car smog more than 50 years ago.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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It's much easier to just work for $9 an hour at Walmart, and collect various welfare programs. The taxpayer subsidies millions of low paid workers via the corporate welfare scheme.

Honestly I can't see how we could compete against China. We're talking about a country that literally dumps toxic materials into the environment with little to no environmental regulation. The workers are basically slaves with little to no rights.
China? Wages have gone up about 500 percent in the last 10 years; that country's working age pop is dropping year by year in "real" numbers.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:47 PM
 
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"Trump Wants To Bring Manufacturing Back To The USA; However Would You Be Willing To Pay A Lot More For Goods?"

I'm not paying more for the few American made products I buy now. At least not normally, maybe in a few incidences.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Yes, they delivered immense short term profits and returns for their precious shareholders.
I'll have to agree with your comment !

Years ago I worked for a privately held company (for about 13 years) and we were always taking long range customer relationships and our employee relationships into account with any decision that was made. We needed to be profitable, but were almost like a family and we looked out for each other.

A publically held corporation purchased our firm due to some unfortunate circumstances....and it was never the same.

Rather than planning for next year, or a 5 year plan, we were hammered on about this quarter. We need numbers this quarter, no matter how you do it....get a larger sales number this quarter. I remember many instances where items would be billed a few days before they were even shipped if it was the last few days of the quarter. Sometimes they would ask permission of the sales person and keep them in the loop, many times they would just shove them through and you'd have customers calling wondering why they were invoiced for something that hadn't even been shipped yet.

It appeared to me it was more about instant gratification, or as you termed it "immense short term profits", and far less about how you're setting the stage for future, mutually profitable growth in both customer relationships and actual dollar profitability.

Many of you who work for public corporations problably know the scenario, we'll worry about next quarter next quarter, as for this quarter, we'll steal from next quarters numbers to make this quarters numbers look good....lol. I got tired of it all and left that company. I now work for a much smaller privately held company (hey, it's not perfect, but far better) and find it refreshing to have more long range thinking in our business practices, not to mention keeping my good reputation intact.
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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"Trump Wants To Bring Manufacturing Back To The USA; However Would You Be Willing To Pay A Lot More For Goods?"

I'm not paying more for the few American made products I buy now. At least not normally, maybe in a few incidences.
Agreed. Looking at Walmart: I bought a few small "Made in USA" tools and, they were NOT "much" more money than the Chinese stuff; def NOT even 2 times more expensive, maybe about 10 percent more, big deal.
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Why is so much cheaper to make parts in Germany/Japan?

If it cost $5 to assemble a phone in China - how much would it cost in the US?
It depends on the particular parts. Japan's electronic industry is highly experienced and long established. Japan benefits from shorter supply lines for certain elemental items that come from Indonesia and other close regions, all of which are often cheaper to produce at their source. Economics change, but distance does not.

Germany essentially had to completely re-build all it heavy industries, as did Japan, after WWII. none of the U.S. heavy industries were destroyed, so for about 20 years, the USSA had a massive advantage, but all of its heavy industry facilities were not modernized, so many became obsolescent or inefficient over that time, while Germany's and Japan's industry was new, modern, and more efficient.

Germany has always been a very industrial nation, and it's lines of supply are sometimes shorter than ours, and its internal lines of supply are shorter as well. The German guild tradition, a long progression of novice to expert, is a huge advantage in training new labor. The United States had an equally good training system in our unions before the unions were destroyed by the right to work laws.

Germany also lost so many adult men in the war that their senior workforce is a generation younger than ours. Their immigration laws make it much easier to replace aging workers. Many of their immigrants have moved there are some of the most skilled workers and professionals- engineers, doctors, programmers, administrators, etc. their mother countries had, and when they fled they brought those skills with them.

These workers are very happy to be allowed into the guild system. Germany has also been the beneficiaries from the unrest in the Eastern European nations that border Russia.The distance in all of Europe are shorter than those here, and German ports are as modern as their heavy industry.

All those things may be small by themselves, but the all add up.

When the entire United States are all on the same page, many of these foreign advantages are lost. But when it is not, the U.S. has a very hard time of it competing state by state instead of competing region by region.

When states began to compete between themselves too much, entire industries can become non-competitive.

Any race to the bottom always fails in the end, as there is always somewhere on Earth that is busy racing toward the top from the bottom. Many German goods cost more than their American equivalents, but Germany uses that extra money to improve their labor force, their industrial bases, and their quality.

Well-paid workers lead more contented and productive lives, as does a good working environment. Wages and products are both on a sliding scale; both degenerate when ignored for too long, and the rest of the world is now waiting for that degeneration.

If the basic minimum wage goes up, carrying the products that they produce expenses with them, American will buy better made American goods because they can afford them easier.

There is nothing inherently exceptional about Germany, Japan, China, or anywhere else. Their economies have risen because all of them engaged in a race to the top, not to the bottom.

When the goods are better, their value increases because the goods remain good for a longer period of time.
The value of time increases the good's inherent value. People buy fewer goods, because they last longer, but the population of the world continues to explode, so the market for all goods continues to expand globally.

Once our minimum wage goes up, America has everything else it needs to provide goods to the rest of the world that have real value in price, quality and durability. With a stable, well educated and well trained workforce, new industries will naturally rise where humans are better than robots.

In a race to the bottom, robots replace humans. In a race to the top, robots assist humans. When they assist, the economy grows at a faster rate, limited only by the humans who control everything. Robots are only machines. Humans are infinitely more adaptable than machines.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is environmentalist doing their best to keep business out of the USA, while polluting other countries. Does Trump really own factories in China?


Strange, how this administration is the first to call out slavery from long ago, but has yet to address environmentalist and countries who use their people for slave labor still today.
Oh please this is about cheap labor and lack of employee and environmental protections to reduce their bottom line.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Nice rant, they still aren't HIS factories to be relocated. Go pound sand.
Come on now. He's outsourcing the work to China, taking advantage of the cheap labor of poor people who barely eak out a living.
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