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Old 06-12-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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And when demand plummets and the economy tanks, I'm sure many of those companies will be dropping like flies. That's what happens when you ignore the long term obligations of a corporation.

If it occurs, shareholders would have sold off, and bought new corps.


But those who presently own a corp rule, just as a homeowner rules his/her castle.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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But why? Why would US production cost so much more? I mean, in theory, shouldn't it cost less? Shipping the constructed phones over seas, then distributing them to various retailers surely would drive up costs more than just making them hear and distributing them to distributors. Why would taking out an extra step make things cost more, not less?

Well, I imagine the answer is the cost of labor. See, China doesn't care about it's people. And while I think it's debatable if the US does, it at least does more than China. There'd be an expectation that an American worker can't work 20 hours a day, for barely any money, in unbearably poor conditions. We have labor laws. As well as a long list of various corporate and production regulations, some good, some not so good. These sort of things would drive up the cost of US manufacturing. But surely, if you look over the systems that oversee production in this country, we can change or get rid of regulations and taxes that drive up the cost, while still protecting the human rights of workers and consumers.

I think there's a way to bring manufacturing back to the US without driving costs up. Not that I think Trump is the guy who will actually accomplish this, but I still think it's possible to do.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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But why? Why would US production cost so much more? I mean, in theory, shouldn't it cost less? Shipping the constructed phones over seas, then distributing them to various retailers surely would drive up costs more than just making them hear and distributing them to distributors. Why would taking out an extra step make things cost more, not less?

Well, I imagine the answer is the cost of labor. See, China doesn't care about it's people. And while I think it's debatable if the US does, it at least does more than China. There'd be an expectation that an American worker can't work 20 hours a day, for barely any money, in unbearably poor conditions. We have labor laws. As well as a long list of various corporate and production regulations, some good, some not so good. These sort of things would drive up the cost of US manufacturing. But surely, if you look over the systems that oversee production in this country, we can change or get rid of regulations and taxes that drive up the cost, while still protecting the human rights of workers and consumers.

I think there's a way to bring manufacturing back to the US without driving costs up. Not that I think Trump is the guy who will actually accomplish this, but I still think it's possible to do.
Lack of investment in modern infrastructure, equipment, research and development, etc. Of course the US can't compete.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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But why? Why would US production cost so much more? I mean, in theory, shouldn't it cost less? Shipping the constructed phones over seas, then distributing them to various retailers surely would drive up costs more than just making them hear and distributing them to distributors. Why would taking out an extra step make things cost more, not less?

Well, I imagine the answer is the cost of labor. See, China doesn't care about it's people. And while I think it's debatable if the US does, it at least does more than China. There'd be an expectation that an American worker can't work 20 hours a day, for barely any money, in unbearably poor conditions. We have labor laws. As well as a long list of various corporate and production regulations, some good, some not so good. These sort of things would drive up the cost of US manufacturing. But surely, if you look over the systems that oversee production in this country, we can change or get rid of regulations and taxes that drive up the cost, while still protecting the human rights of workers and consumers.

I think there's a way to bring manufacturing back to the US without driving costs up. Not that I think Trump is the guy who will actually accomplish this, but I still think it's possible to do.
I'm sure you know that many manufacturing jobs left the US because of EPA regulations. Look at China, how polluted it has become. They have air quality alerts every single day.

So dealing with the EPA alone makes it almost impossible for small manufacturing companies to make a go in the US. GM, Ford, Chrysler, 3M...they own enough politicians to deflect the EPA in many cases but even they are moving more and more jobs overseas.

I don't know what is right. I don't exactly want all this stuff made in America if it's going to ruin the environment. But the jobs we have and some we have lost recently should be returned.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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But why? Why would US production cost so much more? I mean, in theory, shouldn't it cost less? Shipping the constructed phones over seas, then distributing them to various retailers surely would drive up costs more than just making them hear and distributing them to distributors. Why would taking out an extra step make things cost more, not less?

Well, I imagine the answer is the cost of labor. .

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Old 06-12-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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For anyone who doesn't appreciate the high wages enjoyed by hard working Americans, you are more than welcome to ship yourself to China, where you are free to work for a dollar or two an hour. I certainly won't stop you. More cheap crap for cheap American consumers!

With socialism well underway in America, workers no longer have to work for a living. They just have to sign up for free crap from the sissy nanny government.

Not a functional system if you ask be, but it seems to be the will of the people.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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No, probably most Americans would not pay more for things manufactured here unless wages are increased. In addition, prior to the manufacturers leaving the US, many people were already buying things (clothes, cars and electronics) that were made in other countries because they were of higher quality.

I've never owned an American made car, because they seemed to break down a lot and simply not been as sturdy or lasted as long as foreign cars. I lived in NYC for a long time and the clothes in departments stores that were made in other countries were of much higher quality and usually fit better than those made in the US. Same with electronics--foreign made were higher quality. All the US had was jeans. I really don't think you can reverse the manufacturing trend, or take this country back to 1950.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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How do places like Germany and Japan make so many of the parts that go into a phone? Cheaper labor?
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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No, probably most Americans would not pay more for things manufactured here unless wages are increased. In addition, prior to the manufacturers leaving the US, many people were already buying things (clothes, cars and electronics) that were made in other countries because they were of higher quality.

I've never owned an American made car, because they seemed to break down a lot and simply not been as sturdy or lasted as long as foreign cars. I lived in NYC for a long time and the clothes in departments stores that were made in other countries were of much higher quality and usually fit better than those made in the US. Same with electronics--foreign made were higher quality. All the US had was jeans. I really don't think you can reverse the manufacturing trend, or take this country back to 1950.
What you are forgetting the extra cost of Government for example, high corporate taxes and Obama care to name a few. Unfair trade deals like Nafta to name a few.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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No, probably most Americans would not pay more for things manufactured here unless wages are increased. In addition, prior to the manufacturers leaving the US, many people were already buying things (clothes, cars and electronics) that were made in other countries because they were of higher quality.

I've never owned an American made car, because they seemed to break down a lot and simply not been as sturdy or lasted as long as foreign cars. I lived in NYC for a long time and the clothes in departments stores that were made in other countries were of much higher quality and usually fit better than those made in the US. Same with electronics--foreign made were higher quality. All the US had was jeans. I really don't think you can reverse the manufacturing trend, or take this country back to 1950.
I won't disagree with that, but GM especially has made great strides with quality. But so many of their parts are now made in China. They are almost a Chinese company anymore.
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