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"" In 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 schoolchildren were shot dead, two senators, one Democrat and one Republican, introduced a measure that would have required background checks on most gun sales. It failed to move forward despite a majority vote in its favour, because supporters were unable to assemble the supermajority needed to overcome a procedural hurdle. Seemingly intractable disputes in American politics do sometimes give way to overdue reform. More probably, America will make scant progress in dealing with its gun problem until it begins to resolve its broader political problem.""
There already was and is a gun background check that works well. The problem is that the government refuses to prosecute those who get caught lying on the form.
Apparently the media is completely obsessed with the AR-15. Who knew?
I kinda miss the days when they were obsessed with the AK-47. I'm also curious what the next craze will be after they get bored with obsessing over the AR-15.
Can you tell me the functional difference between the MCX used by the Orlando killer, and an AR 15?
Can you tell me the functional difference between the MCX used by the Orlando killer, and an AR 15?
None. In fact there is no difference between many common hunting rifles and the AR-15 other than the hunting rifle is more powerful. Liberals are retarded when it comes to guns.
All well put. I've seen more various presentation of these statistics from all various sources over the years to the point of wondering whether half the effort is to render them all highly suspect, but one of the more recent reports I've seen about these numbers continues to highlight how exceptional the numbers are for America.
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-relatedsuicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said."
When it comes to "cherry picking," sure seems your picking a good many of your own when you introduce countries impacted by the Arab Spring and the rise of ISIS. I mean, these numbers are generally considered in light of simple civilians living in countries that are not at war or struggling with wide-spread civil unrest.
With all due respect to Wikipedia (sincerely), often described as left-leaning as well (BTW), I'm not sure whether the American Journal of Medicine will also be considered left-leaning, but it seems their rather recent data contradicts your "narrative" in more than a few ways.
"Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of allgun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gunviolence were in the United States. And 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed by guns were in the United States, the study found."
RE: your last statement I bolded above. Yes, all agreed, but how?
Whoever compiled those statistics rendered every one of them useless by placing the "gun related" qualifier in front of them, for reasons I explained earlier to you in this thread. They prove nothing, except that a gun is the weapon of choice where guns are available. Take this statistic for example....
"""And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-relatedsuicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries"""
Ok, so they concede that our over all suicide rate is on par with that of other countries. It isn't much higher, or lower. That shows that even in countries where there are fewer guns, relatively the same amount of people are committing suicide, they just aren't using guns to do it. That isn't exactly a strong argument, unless you're argument is that non-gun related suicides are somehow less tragic or less worthy of attention.
So on and so forth...It should come as no surprise that when guns are available, they will be used more often. That doesn't prove that if guns were not available, these murders / suicides would not still be taking place. I have it hard to believe that college educated researches don't see the gaping flaw in their logic here. You can understand why so many people distrust these misleading "studies" and their so-called conclusions. As someone famous once said, "there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics"...
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None. In fact there is no difference between many common hunting rifles and the AR-15 other than the hunting rifle is more powerful. Liberals are retarded when it comes to guns.
So then why make such a big deal about the fact that it's not technically an AR15 then, as if it makes a difference?
As many has pointed out there is many Specs of the same type. Nothing wrong with and many Americans own one legally and do not go on rampages,
Most do not realize from our liberal Anti Gun Fools that Omar purchased this rifle legally. The Problem lies Hi K Permit was approved and the back check was not used to determine his permit. Too many people knew of Omar radicle thoughts but did not come forward because of PC.
Removing of banning legal weapons is the answer here. Islamic Crazies is the problem.
Can you tell me the functional difference between the MCX used by the Orlando killer, and an AR 15?
MCX uses a short stroke piston to engage the bolt to eject the chambered round and cycle to chamber a new one.
The AR-15 uses a direct impingement system which sends hot gases through a tube to directly hit the gas key on the bolt to actuate the bolt cycling.
Kind of like saying a RX-8 rotary is the same as a Miata, or asking what the functional difference between a Ferrari and a Hyundai are. Basics are the same, but you would never call a F-car a Hyundai.
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None. In fact there is no difference between many common hunting rifles and the AR-15 other than the hunting rifle is more powerful. Liberals are retarded when it comes to guns.
This is also correct. Go back to the STG-44, M2 Carbine, M1 Garand, and further back and the BASICS of a firearm stay the same: part of the energy is directed back to be used to cycle the next round.
Whoever compiled those statistics rendered every one of them useless by placing the "gun related" qualifier in front of them, for reasons I explained earlier to you in this thread. They prove nothing, except that a gun is the weapon of choice where guns are available. Take this statistic for example....
"""And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-relatedsuicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries"""
Ok, so they concede that our over all suicide rate is on par with that of other countries. It isn't much higher, or lower. That shows that even in countries where there are fewer guns, relatively the same amount of people are committing suicide, they just aren't using guns to do it. That isn't exactly a strong argument, unless you're argument is that non-gun related suicides are somehow less tragic or less worthy of attention.
So on and so forth...It should come as no surprise that when guns are available, they will be used more often. That doesn't prove that if guns were not available, these murders / suicides would not still be taking place. I have it hard to believe that college educated researches don't see the gaping flaw in their logic here. You can understand why so many people distrust these misleading "studies" and their so-called conclusions. As someone famous once said, "there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics"...
Oh the researchers are aware.
They are just betting that their readers won't be able to see through it.
Most do not, because they have bought into the agenda that "guns are bad".
So the readers just lap it all up while suspending their critical thinking.
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AR-15 Fun to shoot!
