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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 03-10-2008, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Originally Posted by CNI View Post
Are these tanks, aircraft, etc. combat-ready? Are the owners subject to restrictions?
Oh, heck no.

But, with a little elbow grease.......

Then again, the B17, B24 and others do have operable bomb bays, gun turrets and the guns fire -

Hmmmmm

 
Old 03-10-2008, 03:53 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Frank_Carbonni
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Hey, he's European. It's in his nature to be as self-righteous and authoritarian as possible while looking down on the US.
Right, invading other countries under false pretences certainly isn’t proof of being self-righteous and authoritarian and it certainly is not concrete evidence that the American government looks down on the country they force their customised brand of 'American' democracy upon.

I guess if going to war is the solution to every problem, you will indeed need guns to protect yourself.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by Greatday View Post
Oh, heck no.

But, with a little elbow grease.......

Then again, the B17, B24 and others do have operable bomb bays, gun turrets and the guns fire -

Hmmmmm
I took these photos of the B-25 "Executive Sweet" at the Camarillo Airport in southern California. It's a privately owned aircraft, and is quite capable of dropping bombs... The guns are replicas, though, and are incapable of firing. I don't know if this was by choice or by law, however.
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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This is just my opinion... most Americans i met agree with me.

As for hiring/firing practices, these differ quite a bit between countries.

There is no fear, because you can NEVER lose your HC.

Unemployment in US is a lie, add prison population, and "all those who quit finding work".

It's more than 8% then.

Basic human rights are those in UN convention of basic human rights, which US government signed but doesn't respect. Read about it.

Basic rights to me? RIGHT to health care for all, fair working hours, VACATION and much more.

In fact, richest countries in the world are found in Europe, EVERY one of them has a strong social system, and vacations.

So, one can have a prosperous economy, sound social system, and high quality of life.

Of all countries which have close to zero unemployment, most are again found in Europe.

This is my view on things...

People in this country,some of whom work until they drop, or work JUST to buy medications, and PEOPLE who have worked ALL their lives have a right to decent, dignifying existance.

This is humane.

I am an economist, so i know how things work. YES, I'm FOR capitalism,
but with humane face.

My attitude is that i work to LIVE, not otherwise. Many people here would want vacations, time with family, maternal protection, free or cheap daycare etc but can not get it.

At the end of the day, people matter to me more than profit.

"profit above all" has DIRE consequences... ones you can see in US.

Rat race leads to anxiety, illness, destruction of wellbeing, lack of time with family etc.

Is it that Americans WANT that insurance houses make record profits and give millionaire bonuses, while people die because they can't buy insurance?

AS much as SOME Americans defend private insurance, it's killing the economy. Since prices of HI are going faster than salaries and inflation,

competitiveness of US economy is getting weaker.

In the end, costs are shifted to users, more and more... they have less money to spend for everything else, and it slows the economy.

US living standard is decreasing fast.

I met people who are afraid to switch jobs, because in the meantime they loose insurance or can't pay for COBRA.

So, out of fear, they stay where they are.

TRUST me, this hinders productivity, growth and everything more than any vacation would.

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Originally Posted by swagger View Post
Define "worker rights" as defined/protected by U.S. law.

The problem that I, and many others in the U.S. have, with many Europeans is their entitlement complex and how they try to push their positions onto us. They believe that they have a right to free health care, X weeks of paid vacation each year, etc. Maybe, under the laws of their country, they do. That is not the case in the United States, however. We are all fine with people having their own opinions. We (justifiably) get defensive when they try to impose their opinions on us as "basic human rights." We take our "rights" very seriously, and many of us put in a lot of effort to make sure that the line between a right and a desire doesn't get blurred. That's what's happening right now in this country with health care, and frankly, it's frightening.

Ever wonder why the unemployment rate in France is so high (8% (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/fr.html - broken link))? It can be blamed in large part on their employment laws. A company I recently worked for had to close down their office in Paris, rather than lay off part of it's work force, because of the French labor laws. Apparently (and I got this 2nd hand, so I can't guarantee its accuracy), you can't just fire someone. Once you get a job in France, you're pretty much guaranteed employment unless YOU decide to quit. Where's the incentive to excel at your job? What about the economic impact of that policy? An entire office got closed down because we couldn't lay off a couple of people. Employers resist hiring until absolutely necessary because once hired, they can't be fired.

I guess that in France, at least, remaining employed is a "right". Couple that with mandatory paid vacation time and an insane number of paid holidays, and you've got an environment where it's much more difficult for a company to turn a profit.

As I said, "rights" in this country are very basic and aggressively defended. Things that people would like to call "rights" or which may be rights in other nations are dismissed as what they are - desires. You have no right to a job in this country. You have no right to remain employed once hired. You have no right to health care. You DO have a right to keep and bear arms, as is necessary for the security of a free state.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: In a house
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You see, that's precisely the problem... there are many nutjobs, who have never seen a shrink, but that doesn't mean that they are not unstable. because of what you said, nothing can stop these people from buying the gun. EVEN when they may have intention to kill someone just for fun of it.
Thats life. They can vote too & thats potentially worse, they can drive & buy bats, knives & hammers. If you want to feel safe make yourself safer. I personally wont support the subjugation of an entire population because SOME people MIGHT be nuts.
because of what you said, nothing can stop these people from buying the gun. EVEN when they may have intention to kill someone just for fun of it.


Quote:
Second thing... restaurant and home is NOT the same. You don't own a restaurant, and people come there to eat, NOT inhale your smoke. So, YES,
i think smoking should be banned in ALL such places.
You dont know if I own a resturant. I dont but if I did it should be MY choice if smoking is permitted or not. If people actually care they wont come & I'll go broke. They tried that & you know what? People still went to smoking establishments & the non smoking places were hurting. So they force everyone to do it. Thats unAmerican in every way resyurants & bars are PRIVATE businesses open to the public, nobody HAS to go there.

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As for home, when people came to me, they knew they could never smoke. If they wanted, they could go to balcony and smoke. What they do in their own time, if it doesn't poison me, i don't care.
Agreed, I dont allow smoking in my home either, but its mine, if I owned a resturant it would be mine too, or a bar, or a hotel. You do understand the idea behind private property right?
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Greatday View Post
Really? The Government controls your life more there than the US?
I meant, for buying, as well as carrying a gun. 2 permits that is.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:26 PM
 
Location: In a house
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This is just my opinion... most Americans i met agree with me.

As for hiring/firing practices, these differ quite a bit between countries.

There is no fear, because you can NEVER lose your HC.

Unemployment in US is a lie, add prison population, and "all those who quit finding work".

It's more than 8% then.

Basic human rights are those in UN convention of basic human rights, which US government signed but doesn't respect. Read about it.

Basic rights to me? RIGHT to health care for all, fair working hours, VACATION and much more.

In fact, richest countries in the world are found in Europe, EVERY one of them has a strong social system, and vacations.

So, one can have a prosperous economy, sound social system, and high quality of life.

Of all countries which have close to zero unemployment, most are again found in Europe.

This is my view on things...

People in this country,some of whom work until they drop, or work JUST to buy medications, and PEOPLE who have worked ALL their lives have a right to decent, dignifying existance.

This is humane.

I am an economist, so i know how things work. YES, I'm FOR capitalism,
but with humane face.

My attitude is that i work to LIVE, not otherwise. Many people here would want vacations, time with family, maternal protection, free or cheap daycare etc but can not get it.

At the end of the day, people matter to me more than profit.

"profit above all" has DIRE consequences... ones you can see in US.

Rat race leads to anxiety, illness, destruction of wellbeing, lack of time with family etc.

Is it that Americans WANT that insurance houses make record profits and give millionaire bonuses, while people die because they can't buy insurance?

AS much as SOME Americans defend private insurance, it's killing the economy. Since prices of HI are going faster than salaries and inflation,

competitiveness of US economy is getting weaker.

In the end, costs are shifted to users, more and more... they have less money to spend for everything else, and it slows the economy.

US living standard is decreasing fast.

I met people who are afraid to switch jobs, because in the meantime they loose insurance or can't pay for COBRA.

So, out of fear, they stay where they are.

TRUST me, this hinders productivity, growth and everything more than any vacation would.
Its just my opinion but if you like Europe so much & hate Americas system so much why are you here? I sure dont need you to save me from me.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by fiksi View Post
That's not true...

There is no right per se to carry a weapon, and permits are required for everything.

Permit can be denied to anyone.

This is no "right". There is a POSSIBILITY of having a firearm, but no RIGHT.

I can't just walk in a store, and buy a gun. First i would need a buying permit... WHICH can be denied if i am a loonie(one of conditions). THEN, i would need a carrying permit(more conditions).

But i don't need it, thanks. My kid, me and wife face no scum or danger for that to be needed. My brother's kid
hangs around all the time... no worries at all.
You can word it any way you like. Paper work is nothing but time.

I guess there is only scum and danger in the US.

Why did you come here if it's so bad?
 
Old 03-10-2008, 04:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker View Post
Its just my opinion but if you like Europe so much & hate Americas system so much why are you here? I sure dont need you to save me from me.
I came here a long time ago, wanting to see the world and experience things...

I married here, so that's why i stayed this long.

Now, however, i'll leave with my wife...

I'm getting older... i'll surely be sicker. More than ever, the time is now to enjoy the life.

Luckily, i saw this crysis coming, and kept only minimum of dollars.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fiksi View Post
This is just my opinion... most Americans i met agree with me.

As for hiring/firing practices, these differ quite a bit between countries.

There is no fear, because you can NEVER lose your HC.

Unemployment in US is a lie, add prison population, and "all those who quit finding work".

It's more than 8% then.

Basic human rights are those in UN convention of basic human rights, which US government signed but doesn't respect. Read about it.

Basic rights to me? RIGHT to health care for all, fair working hours, VACATION and much more.

In fact, richest countries in the world are found in Europe, EVERY one of them has a strong social system, and vacations.

So, one can have a prosperous economy, sound social system, and high quality of life.

Of all countries which have close to zero unemployment, most are again found in Europe.

This is my view on things...

People in this country,some of whom work until they drop, or work JUST to buy medications, and PEOPLE who have worked ALL their lives have a right to decent, dignifying existance.

This is humane.

I am an economist, so i know how things work. YES, I'm FOR capitalism,
but with humane face.

My attitude is that i work to LIVE, not otherwise. Many people here would want vacations, time with family, maternal protection, free or cheap daycare etc but can not get it.

At the end of the day, people matter to me more than profit.

"profit above all" has DIRE consequences... ones you can see in US.

Rat race leads to anxiety, illness, destruction of wellbeing, lack of time with family etc.

Is it that Americans WANT that insurance houses make record profits and give millionaire bonuses, while people die because they can't buy insurance?

AS much as SOME Americans defend private insurance, it's killing the economy. Since prices of HI are going faster than salaries and inflation,

competitiveness of US economy is getting weaker.

In the end, costs are shifted to users, more and more... they have less money to spend for everything else, and it slows the economy.

US living standard is decreasing fast.

I met people who are afraid to switch jobs, because in the meantime they loose insurance or can't pay for COBRA.

So, out of fear, they stay where they are.

TRUST me, this hinders productivity, growth and everything more than any vacation would.
Interesting post. Does it have anything to do with guns?

I was merely pointing out that what people from other countries perceive as a "right" does not necessarily translate into a "right" in the United States. Gun ownership is a RIGHT in this country. I really don't care to discuss health care or mandatory vacation in this thread - it's not the appropriate place. I was merely pointing out a few anecdotal examples of things that people falsely perpetuate as "rights" in this country, simply because other countries do it that way.

If you wish to discuss Universal Health Care or mandatory vacations as they relate to the U.S. Constitution, I'm sure you'd find plenty of takers in threads dedicated to the topics.
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