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Old 08-04-2016, 04:03 PM
 
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I'm confused...how was she undocumented when she had a visa? Wouldn't that mean she was documented?


And then she pursued the legal channels to become a citizen.


That's the difference between an immigrant and an illegal alien, isn't it?

Slovenia is not part of the visa waiver program. So the young woman in question would have needed some sort of visa to legally enter the United States. HB-1 visas are routinely given out to models under the "having special ability or talent" portion of that program.


HB-1 visas do expire and then the person must leave the country, not sure how renewals or extensions work, or if they are even supposed to be possible.


In any event if Melania came here on a visa she never was "illegal". Perhaps out of status and or maybe technically in violation of the terms, but that still is not the same as entering the USA without permission.
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Is the article right?
That's what I want to know.

If so, this could be YUGE!
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Except this working was not like she went out and found some job as a waitress or something, which she would need to submit proof of her able to legally work.

This is the equivalent of me working for Exxon, flying to Russia to take some pictures and do some consultations, but filed the wrong visa for it. So technically I was working under the wrong visa, but it is different than if I went their under a tourist visa with intent to find employment.

And again, there is not even any evidence any violation occurred, there is simply an interview, in which she can recall the facts incorrectly, and that is all. It is up to the US gov to present evidence that she was in fact in violation, and to what extent. What really would happen if the US gov found out at the time is they would make her refile for the correct visa, she would not be barred form the US for ten years or anything like that.

Visa mix ups do happen, it is not uncommon.

Edit: to add, it is not like she could not be approved for a work visa. If she had some issue prohibiting her form getting one then I could see the issue, but from what I have read, she could have been easily approved for a work visa, and she in fact could have had one, no evidence has been presented otherwise.
Did she follow the law? Yes or no? That's what I want to know.
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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Melania was an illegal immigrant working illegally until she met Trump.
Melania claims she came to the US in 1996 but the nude photo shoot shows she was here in 1995. Melania also says that she would return home from New York to renew her visa every few months. This means she has visitor's visa only - a work visa would gave a longer time frame and not have required her to return home every few months.

Gaps in Melania Trump's immigration story raise questions - POLITICO
Some people are really digging deep to find SOMETHING. If this is all they can find, I still take Trump over lying criminal Hitlary Rotten Clinton.
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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That's what I want to know.

If so, this could be YUGE!
What are you guys gonna do? Deport her. Maybe she overstayed her visa... I don't know. She's now married and an American citizen.

Hey all you desperate Shrillary folks - get her!
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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not true, there are some that do require leaving the country to renew. i will say though that i do not knw the finer points of immigration law. but i have had friends that came into the country on work visas, and they had to leave every so often and go home and get teh visas renewed before they could come back into the country to work again.



agreed. chances are that mrs trump didnt do the visa work herself, but rather someone else did it for her, and they told her that she needed to return every so often to renew the visa. as noted this is a bravo sierra story.

Exactly.


There actually is a visa category just for models: A Special U.S. Work Visa for Models? - AllLaw.com
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Melania was an illegal immigrant working illegally until she met Trump.
Melania claims she came to the US in 1996 but the nude photo shoot shows she was here in 1995. Melania also says that she would return home from New York to renew her visa every few months. This means she has visitor's visa only - a work visa would gave a longer time frame and not have required her to return home every few months.

Gaps in Melania Trump's immigration story raise questions - POLITICO
Great, so does that mean democrats love her again?
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Exactly.


There actually is a visa category just for models: A Special U.S. Work Visa for Models? - AllLaw.com
She did not have that H1B3 visa:
"The H-1B3 visa holder can work legally in the U.S. for the employer for up to a maximum of six years." - no need to leave every few months to keep in status

"requires a prominent fashion model of distinguished merit and abilities" - Melania was an unknown minor model scrounging for work, reduced to b-roll lesbian photos, - not a supermodel or prominent fashion model of distinguished merit and abilities

It would be so easy for Melania just to say what visa she had. What is she hiding? Did she use her fake university credentials to get a visa and green card?
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:32 PM
 
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Well, really it's a bit more, 'complicated'. There are white illegal aliens and then there are 'brown' illegal aliens. The rules are clearly different according to the house on the right, so .
Well yes you are onto something there.....


It is a well known and ugly secret that many "illegals" in the USA did not sneak across the border. But rather came into the country legally via a visa (tourist, or whatever) and never left. But since many of these are from Europe they seem to get a free pass.


Head of the Immigration Department was called out by Congress when he basically admitted during testimony that even well over ten years after 9/11/01 Homeland Security/INS still does not have a way to track when visa holders leave the country.


Laws where changed after 9/11/01 that impose penalties for those who do not leave when their visa expires, so some just elect to remain and never go home. Others after awhile accept the penalty and leave anyway.


Know about ten or more persons straight and gay who came here on visas and never left; they all subsequently married (and later divorced) American citizens and became in the process legal residents and on their way to becoming citizens themselves.


If you recall one of the reasons Obama pushed against DOMA and became pro-gay marriage was because gays couldn't sponsor their out of status partners/lovers to remain in the USA as "spouses". Nor could they sponsor them via a marriage visa to enter the country.


In one highly covered case a gay man came to the USA from some South American country on a visa and just never left. He subsequently opened a dance studio in Princeton, NJ and met his "husband". But because of DOMA he couldn't get his status adjusted and was fighting deportation.


Another famous case out of Boston was a young gay man who married an older guy when he also over stayed his visa. In fact was subsequently deported but the AG (think it was Holder) turned around and allowed/paroled him back into the USA.


So yes, there are shades of being "illegal" in the USA.
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Old 08-04-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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She did not have that H1B3 visa:
"The H-1B3 visa holder can work legally in the U.S. for the employer for up to a maximum of six years." - no need to leave every few months to keep in status

"requires a prominent fashion model of distinguished merit and abilities" - Melania was an unknown minor model scrounging for work, reduced to b-roll lesbian photos, - not a supermodel or prominent fashion model of distinguished merit and abilities

It would be so easy for Melania just to say what visa she had. What is she hiding? Did she use her fake university credentials to get a visa and green card?
Somehow knew this was going to come out. Knew the current (third) Mrs. Trump was former model from Eastern Europe, and as previously stated have seen how that works out, at least around NYC.


Again this just shows how DT is not ready for prime time. He knew or should have known once his POTUS run became serious and certainly after winning the Republican nomination people were going to start digging around his private/personal and even family business. In short he knew they had the guns but yet gave them the bullets.


On the one hand Mrs. Trumps immigration past isn't anyone's business. But since her husband is busy stirring up the people going on about "illegals" there is that saying about those living in glass houses....
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