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View Poll Results: Should we legalize it by amending the constitution?
yes 32 41.56%
no 45 58.44%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2016, 05:20 PM
 
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But it is illegal at the Federal level and so trying to make it legal from the bottom up is asking the top to take away the power from the bottom. For the bottom to make it legal from the top down is acting inside of the law.
Federal laws are made by Congress which consists of representatives from the States. If the State politicians are willing to eliminate the Federal laws, they could do it. But the motivation to do should start at the State level.

[we don't need legalization in all 50 states]
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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Federal laws are made by Congress which consists of representatives from the States. If the State politicians are willing to eliminate the Federal laws, they could do it. But the motivation to do should start at the State level.

[we don't need legalization in all 50 states]
Look at alcohol. It was illegal on the Federal level. It was then made legal on the Federal level but left up to the states to make it illegal if they wanted to. Why not do that with weed?
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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Opinion not fact.
Ok, fair enough. I believe it will be made legal on the federal level, once we have reached the point of having so many legalized states that it just would not make sense to continue to keep it illegal.

Then the feds can say "We are not saying we condone using marijuana, but reluctantly we are dropping the criminality of possession or cultivation of marijuana".

That allows them to not ever having to admit they were wrong for criminalizing it in the first place (possibly preventing massive lawsuits).
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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Ok, fair enough. I believe it will be made legal on the federal level, once we have reached the point of having so many legalized states that it just would not make sense to continue to keep it illegal.

Then the feds can say "We are not saying we condone using marijuana, but reluctantly we are dropping the criminality of possession or cultivation of marijuana".

That allows them to not ever having to admit they were wrong for criminalizing it in the first place (possibly preventing massive lawsuits).
The war on drugs. It isn't going away and it isn't about keeping people from using. It is about taking away our rights.


If we want to keep our rights we need to use them. Using them means amending the constitution to make it legal.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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Should we start the push to make it legal at the constitution level?




It is being fought as a states rights issue, doing that legally should be to amend the constitution.
of course not and while we are at it, make smoking tobacco illegal too.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:33 PM
 
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Look at alcohol. It was illegal on the Federal level. It was then made legal on the Federal level but left up to the states to make it illegal if they wanted to. Why not do that with weed?
You don't need an amendment to the Constitution to do it. Look at gay marriage for example.

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Old 08-05-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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My point is this. it won't be made legal by legislation at the Federal level, it is being set up as a states rights issue but if the states come out on the bottom they don't keep their rights.


So the States have the right to amend the constitution, should we do it to legalize it?
That's what I mean by a civics lesson. You do realize that both houses of congress must propose the amendment with a two thirds vote. And then three fourths of state legislatures still have to approve it.
Why would would anyone attempt that when all it takes is half of congress to just make it legal on a federal level without a veto and without three fourths of the states then having to approve it?

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgov...amendments.htm
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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of course not and while we are at it, make smoking tobacco illegal too.
Why not alcohol too. But we tried that once and it didn't work.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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Why not alcohol too. But we tried that once and it didn't work.
because alcohol fumes don't float into the air i'm trying to breathe.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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That's what I mean by a civics lesson. You do realize that both houses of congress must propose the amendment with a two thirds vote. And then three fourths of state legislatures still have to approve it.
Why would would anyone attempt that when all it takes is half of congress to just make it legal on a federal level without a veto and without three fourths of the states then having to approve it.

How To Amend the Constitution - About the Process
There is a way that it can start with the sates but it has never been used.
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