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Do people still believe in the war on coal? Are people truly that ignorant that they can't be bothered to verify something? Are people that ignorant that NAFTA was a conservative ideal...
I think it's just the complete lack of honesty coming from the Trump's campaign that makes the never trumpers turn away from Trump. It's almost as if Trump expects his followers to never question anything.
Hillary flat out told a coal miner she would make him lose his job. Sounds like open warfare to me.
You have correctly identified that dems/libs are completely opposed to the desire of US citizens to be free, prosperous, and function with minimal interference from the government.
Liberalism = Fascism
Liberalism is all about increasing the number of poor, dependent citizens, who will be perpetual slaves to the democrat party. Liberalism is not about improving the standard of living for the average American, but about iron fisted control over the citizens of the nation.
The conservative cocktail (prepared with bitters, no doubt) is to brain cells like the Great White Hunter is to big game. He kills the trophy prey, while letting the defectives pass on by.
With Hillary improving in the polls despite her failures and radicalism, maybe here are some things y'all should ask yourselves if you are a Hillary supporter simply because you hate Trump. I am a person of color from a working class background btw, the son of LEGAL immigrants. Trump was only my 4th favorite after Cruz, Rubio, and Carson but I'm voting for him.
1. Will my family be able to afford the next Obamacare premium hike, as more and more insurance companies continue to back out?
2. Will my family be able to afford a 50% increase in our electric bills, which is likely to happen if Hillary takes Obama's war on coal and domestic energy production to its intended conclusion
3. Do I feel safe knowing that the police are increasingly afraid to do their jobs given the threat of BLM riots and the biased coverage of the liberal media and the race baiting by Democrats???
4. Do I want more Section 8 renters, illegal immigrants, and Muslim refugees moving into my neighborhood? (granted this is more relevant to blue collar communities vs the NIMBY liberal elite areas that somehow manage to avoid public transportation expansion and Section 8 vouchers and who have few illegal aliens)
5. What will happen to my friends whose jobs are threatened by illegal immigration, the war on coal, or by the unfair trade deals Hillary supports? (recall that it was her husband who signed NAFTA and sent millions of jobs to Mexico)
6. Will my community as a whole survive the loss of jobs that will be caused by illegal immigration and unfair trade deals?
I am not technically a liberal as I can't vote. But from the general young people's perspective what we see is Democratic Party- Unity between races. Republican Party- All minorities are in victim complexes. Except on local elections (Texas/Houston/ Fort Bend County) I have never felt like supporting a Republican candidate. I liked Mitt Romney but I liked Obama more. Trump even though I am in HS sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about on half of his issues. Hillary although she lied at least sounds competent for the job and is married to a former President. Now to answer your question.
1. No one in my family that I know of is on Obamacare, maybe my Grandma is but I don't think she qualifies as she isn't really a U.S Citizen.
2. I think we will but it depends on whether the oil price increases. As we are from a third world country with electricity problems we can handle no electricity.
3. BLM hasn't done stuff in my area besides Sandra Bland and that was 5+ miles away. A good portion of my police officers are black, and about 17% or so of the Katy Area is Black, yet BLM seems to have a small presence here. It might have something to do with our police officers not being afraid of black people and shooting them or maybe because most blacks here are middle class and the area overall has a low crime rates. The most common violent crime here is people of all ethnicity deciding to do murder-suicides with their whole family. This is part of the reasons I don't like guns, especially at this time when oil workers are being laid off by the dozens.
4. Section 8- sure, Illegal Immigrants- If their hardworking, Of course Muslims but refugees: (I am a Christian and the country I was born and raised in is 50% Muslim. I don't have any problem with them being Muslim. But refugees almost never integrate well into countries, If they brought them in the same way they bring in Nigerians and Ghanaians (have to be educated/ hardworking. What former jobs did they have?). My area doesn't need any revitalization but "I think soem small east Texas towns could need a flood of new immigrants.
5. Well your candidate Donald Trump sees nothing wrong with it so why not. BTW I don't know anyone whose job is threaten by an illegal and although most of our maids are Hispanic and same with the guy that mows our lawn I doubt their illegal seeing as they have websites and don't seem scared of police officers at all and we get most of them through friends at church they also routinely clean houses around our neighborhood. Now the construction workers I don't know.
6. My community had a low unemployment rate until the oil crisis so I don't see how West Houston literally next to the "illegals highway of I-10", can get it any worse.
NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton, a liberal Democrat.
And these deals go into Obama's mentality and philosophy, if you care to read Dinesh D'Souza's well researched books on him which features many quotes from Obama himself from his speeches and Obama's own writings. Dreams of My Father for example was a very radical book.
Obama's belief in the redistribution of wealth doesn't only apply domestically, it also includes redisributing American wealth to the Third World, and benefiting countries he feels have been "oppressed" by American businesses and capitalism, including Latin America and the countries in the TPP.
I actually don't think NAFTA is a bad idea. I think if we can help Mexico catch up and what is happening now will continue. Their will be very few illegals from Mexico because Mexico will become a pseudo first-world country because of U.S investment. We can invest in the border or we can invest in the people and help develop the country. Parts of Mexico are already at the lower end of first world standard (South Italy/ Eastern Europe/ Parts of China). Central states of Mexico, Guadalajara suburbs, Monterrey Suburbs, parts of Mexican California and other Tourist destinations.
NAFTA was the culmination of Reagan's vision. It was a damn good vision. Reagan was at heart a classical liberal who believed in free men and free trade.
I won't vote for either of the two evils. Both the globalists and the anti-globalists are anti-individualist. If Trump needs my vote to win Texas he's lost in a landslide anyways.
1. Will my family be able to afford the next Obamacare premium hike, as more and more insurance companies continue to back out?
> Most liberals and leftists didn’t want Obamacare. We wanted the public option and felt betrayed by its elimination from the program. Next?
2. Will my family be able to afford a 50% increase in our electric bills, which is likely to happen if Hillary takes Obama's war on coal and domestic energy production to its intended conclusion
Hillary has been push by Bernie into agreeing to push alternative energy infrastructure. The levelized cost of wind power is already less than that of coal and solar is catching up fast. Next?
3. Do I feel safe knowing that the police are increasingly afraid to do their jobs given the threat of BLM riots and the biased coverage of the liberal media and the race baiting by Democrats???
The right is known to be typically racist and certainly Trump has proved he is. So such a false, baiting question is not a surprise. Next?
4. Do I want more Section 8 renters, illegal immigrants, and Muslim refugees moving into my neighborhood? (granted this is more relevant to blue collar communities vs the NIMBY liberal elite areas that somehow manage to avoid public transportation expansion and Section 8 vouchers and who have few illegal aliens)
I’m not worried. Do you prefer homeless and litter and needles and disease?
5. What will happen to my friends whose jobs are threatened by illegal immigration, the war on coal, or by the unfair trade deals Hillary supports? (recall that it was her husband who signed NAFTA and sent millions of jobs to Mexico)
This will be a much greater possibility under Trump. Hillary, if she gets democratic congress, will create lots of good-paying jobs with republic obstruction no longer being a problem.
6. Will my community as a whole survive the loss of jobs that will be caused by illegal immigration and unfair trade deals?
I see no evidence that she is likely to allow any illegal immigration and she has been moved by Bernie to declare she is against the TPP. Citizens organizations are forming right now to be ready to force her to keep her promises if she should dare flip-flop. With your level of concern you should join one of them.
Actually, I used to live in the Baltimore suburbs and have personally seem the influx of Section 8 renters and ghetto people from the city. Another thing we fought hard against was the expansion of mass transit into the suburbs. It's not really about the criminals who ride the train out and commit crimes which is a common straw man argument made by the liberal media. In the context of the Baltimore region, mass transit makes a community more hospitable to those who can't afford a car, and in the context of that area, these would be Freddie Gray's homies, who bring their ghetto attitudes and lifestyles out to the suburbs. Basically when mass transit is built, the ghetto follows. I have personally observed this.
I personally am glad to now be living somewhere that has very few gangsters, illegal aliens, and Muslim refugees, and where we exercise our 2nd amendment rights and stand our ground. And btw I am a person of color and a descendent of LEGAL immigrants. It IS possible to come here legally and play by the rules, and not depend on government handouts.
Solar power is a failure even in Nevada. Recently Fox had a story about how people are up in arms about the Nevada state government trying to end subsidies to homeowners with solar panels and to the solar industry in the Las Vegas area, one of the sunniest in the country. If even in sunny Nevada, the solar industry still can't survive without taxpayer subsidies, how can we expect it to work anywhere else?
Instead of spending tax money on wind and solar subsidies, we can stick with coal, oil, and natural gas which are proven to be affordable and profitable for American companies. Its about time the Democrats stopped their intransience on the Keystone Pipeline and allow it to be built.
I am not technically a liberal as I can't vote. But from the general young people's perspective what we see is Democratic Party- Unity between races. Republican Party- All minorities are in victim complexes. Except on local elections (Texas/Houston/ Fort Bend County) I have never felt like supporting a Republican candidate. I liked Mitt Romney but I liked Obama more. Trump even though I am in HS sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about on half of his issues. Hillary although she lied at least sounds competent for the job and is married to a former President. Now to answer your question.
1. No one in my family that I know of is on Obamacare, maybe my Grandma is but I don't think she qualifies as she isn't really a U.S Citizen.
2. I think we will but it depends on whether the oil price increases. As we are from a third world country with electricity problems we can handle no electricity.
3. BLM hasn't done stuff in my area besides Sandra Bland and that was 5+ miles away. A good portion of my police officers are black, and about 17% or so of the Katy Area is Black, yet BLM seems to have a small presence here. It might have something to do with our police officers not being afraid of black people and shooting them or maybe because most blacks here are middle class and the area overall has a low crime rates. The most common violent crime here is people of all ethnicity deciding to do murder-suicides with their whole family. This is part of the reasons I don't like guns, especially at this time when oil workers are being laid off by the dozens.
4. Section 8- sure, Illegal Immigrants- If their hardworking, Of course Muslims but refugees: (I am a Christian and the country I was born and raised in is 50% Muslim. I don't have any problem with them being Muslim. But refugees almost never integrate well into countries, If they brought them in the same way they bring in Nigerians and Ghanaians (have to be educated/ hardworking. What former jobs did they have?). My area doesn't need any revitalization but "I think soem small east Texas towns could need a flood of new immigrants.
5. Well your candidate Donald Trump sees nothing wrong with it so why not. BTW I don't know anyone whose job is threaten by an illegal and although most of our maids are Hispanic and same with the guy that mows our lawn I doubt their illegal seeing as they have websites and don't seem scared of police officers at all and we get most of them through friends at church they also routinely clean houses around our neighborhood. Now the construction workers I don't know.
6. My community had a low unemployment rate until the oil crisis so I don't see how West Houston literally next to the "illegals highway of I-10", can get it any worse.
I used to live near Baltimore where the riots took place. Even with a black mayor and a police force with many blacks, the liberals still claim there is racism in the city. And they still believe teh cops are wrong even after all 6 of the officers in that case were vindicated and proven innocent. Freddie Gray was a known criminal and thug and drug addict who tried to hurt himself. These issues are important to me because I have family and friends in the parts of Maryland that they want to expand Section 8 housing, and at the same time the liberals who run the state have banned the death penalty, are welcoming illegal immigrants and building more Section 8 housing and mass transit in the suburbs which WILL bring crime and drugs.
I know for a FACT that Section 8 housing and illegal aliens and mass transit expansion results in lost jobs, depressed wages, crime, violence, and drug traffic. I have witnessed all this during the time I've spent living in the Baltimore and New Orleans areas.
I know white and black Americans who do housekeeping, lawn mowing, roofing, etc. Their wages have been depressed greatly by illegals working below minimum wage and many have lost jobs to illegals. Liberals make a big deal out of unions and minimum wage but no matter what the minimum wage is, illegals always work below it and undercut American workers. When I travel to places like Los Angeles, DC area, etc even all the fast food jobs and Walmart jobs are filled with illegal aliens who can't speak English, while Americans still do those jobs in Baltimore and WV.
As for Obamacare premiums, by that term I mean insurance premiums in general. Even people who don't have a plan from the marketplaces have seen their rates skyrocket as insurance companies are forced to recoup the losses they have had sicne Obamacare was implemented. Obamacare has also caused many people to lose their health insurance. I know so many families who have been devastated by Obamacare. I personally lost my old insurance plan which I was very satisfied with even though it wasn't "comprehensive". As a younger healthier person I don't NEED a "comprehensive" plan. And now I'm paying 4 times as much for things I don't need jsut to subsidize the healthcare of the illegal aliens and Freddie Gray's homeboys.
Hillary although she lied at least sounds competent for the job and is married to a former President.
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No one in my family that I know of is on Obamacare, maybe my Grandma is but I don't think she qualifies as she isn't really a U.S Citizen.
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The most common violent crime here is people of all ethnicity deciding to do murder-suicides with their whole family. This is part of the reasons I don't like guns, especially at this time when oil workers are being laid off by the dozens.
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most of our maids are Hispanic and same with the guy that mows our lawn I doubt their illegal seeing as they have websites and don't seem scared of police officers at all and we get most of them through friends at church they also routinely clean houses around our neighborhood.
You must be trying to counter the obvious reality that Trump is a fascist and that fascism has always and only been a right wing phenomenon. I think I spanked you good on this before. Shall we do it again now?
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You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me
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Denis Mack Smith, Mussolini: A Biography (1983) p. 8. As quoted by Mussolini after he was expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914.
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Some of you probably come from privileged backgrounds where you will be somewhat insulated by the destruction liberal policies. For example right now I live in West Virginia, where the war on coal based on the global warming fallacies is very real and is affecting people I know.
Funny, I grew up in WV and the mining industry was falling apart when i lived there. It was also declining long before I was even born.
It's not "liberal policies" or a "war on coal" that killed jobs in WV. It's decades of reckless exploitation of our natural resources and the steady erosion of organized labor. Pro-coal company right wingers have ruled that state for decades, admittedly often with a D next to their name. Now the consequences of letting big business pillage the state and exploit workers are coming back to bite them.
The jobs are gone, thanks to automation, increased mining elsewhere, lack of easily accessible coal, etc. The environment is trashed. The infrastructure is crumbling and in many areas literally falling off the hillside. Former workers are sick or dead because reasonable safety measures weren't taken.
You can thank a total disregard for the environment and workers, along with a stubborn refusal to make any real attempt to diversify the economy, for the mess WV is facing. All those things were brought to us by right wingers.
Someone like Trump can come in and promise that things are magically going to get better and jobs will come back, but that's simply not true. It's a lie Republicans in depressed areas trot out every election. Trump can end the "War on Coal" (whatever that is) and WV miners will still be out of work because the economics of providing stable long term mining employment in the area still won't make sense.
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